Dave a few corrections...edited by Admin... 1 kion are not Chinese owned the majority of the company is still German. 2 there are no working ammonia solutions out there for FLT or any other pieces of plant cars etc, yes there are solutions being looked at but those are still 10+ years away 3 yes the new lines use the same chassis but that's down to cost more than anything else and lastly...edited by Admin....4 where is your wonder machine?? you've given us so many release dates now some of us are beginning to to think that maybe it doesn't exist (I'm just joking here we know it doesn't) you claim to be a Yorkshire man Dave I actually am and one thing a Yorkshire man is (apart from being pig headed) is honest, your giving us a bad name...edited by Admin...

Where is your supermachine?

He doesn't have a machine and never did (which we all knew) His investors have all drummed him and another guy out of the company, so he is starting over with a new name....again.

Where is your supermachine?

@mr.Lifter Me thinks he should have been a fairy tale reader and read stuff like Snow White &The Seven Dwarfs, Peter Pan Three Bears, Goldilocks, etc to those preschool types.

You have missed your calling in life, you should have been a politician, your better that two tier Keir at simply avoiding the question and deflecting with something else!
You have been on this platform since around 2012 saying you are building some kind truck, you started of with diesel powered hydrostatic. then I think diesel electric, now ammonia, it seems that technology just keeps passing you by before you even get a truck built, I would do your self a favour and keep quiet rather than keep making a fool of yourself!

Today, many large forklift OEMs have adopted the concept of interchangeable batteries for electric forklifts. For example, in the latest Linde trucks, over 85% of the components will be the same between the H30 and the X30 models, with only the drive lines differing. In terms of ammonia-powered engines, within the next three years, counterbalance forklifts powered by ammonia hybrid systems will likely emerge in Asia. Similar to hydrogen forklifts, these will probably fit into today's electric truck designs. At a 3,000kg capacity, they will be powered by a 20kW ammonia engine paired with a 10kWh battery pack.

The folks want to know where is your "dream machine" in the iron and operating at a real users sit that will take the world to the promise land of the material handling - not once again a bunch of dribble and projections about who is going to do what to who and when and where that one might find in ones locals fortune tellers crystal ball for a small fee.

OK ,once again where is your super machine? When i first got into this industry forklifts had wooden masts , steam engines ,stone rollers. They steered from the back ,forks on the front. Except for the power systems and the materials they are made of from they still steer from the back , forks on the front. So where is your super machine ?

You argue that hydrogen will make inroads, but there are only two significant hydrogen solutions: Fuel Cells and Internal Combustion (IC) engines. If we examine fuel cells, the only company that has made any progress in the materials handling sector is Plug Power, and last year, they reported a staggering loss of $750 million. The reason for this failure is that hydrogen as a fuel is not yet economically viable. It is expensive to produce, store, and transport. Furthermore, hydrogen IC engines, while an alternative, are less efficient than fuel cells and face additional challenges like the need for hydrogen to be stored at 700 Bar. This requires specialized high-pressure tanks, which are even more complex and expensive than those required for fuel cells, not to mention the need for different refueling systems with built-in refrigeration.

When we focus on materials handling equipment, especially for loads under 5,000kg, battery electric technology is likely to dominate. China's influence in this market will grow, as the quality of electric equipment improves and the availability of parts increases. For larger-scale equipment-over 6,000kg-ammonia-powered IC engine hybrid technology will likely take the lead. Similar to the under-5,000kg sector, China is expected to be the main supplier of these solutions, taking advantage of their manufacturing capability and growing expertise in clean technology.

The ongoing improvements in battery technology, infrastructure, and manufacturing efficiency for electric and ammonia-powered systems point to the future dominance of these technologies. Hydrogen, for all its promise, remains an expensive and technically challenging fuel, limiting its role in certain markets like materials handling. The key drivers of progress in the near term will likely focus on more practical and cost-effective solutions.

you will get companies Like Sany who will dominate port equipment , KION who are chines owned will still be a dominate company in the forklift and warehouse business. These are just two Chines companies that will dominate in the industry

The issue we all have with you dace is you come here making big claims about you wonder machine telling us all when it will be released etc and yet you never ever live up to those claims and promises fella.
Yes the material handling industry will change and is but I will disagree with some of what you say 1 China will be the dominant supplier?? Not for a lot of years they won't as somebody who works in Chinese brands onky 1visvto be honest any good the rest are very badly built and parts support us a joke (and that includes BYD), 2 new ways of powering engine will be used? Yes hydrogen but ammonia?? Not for many years fella they won't we have nonengines anywhere ready to be put in trucks to be trialed. Over the next few years lithium ion will continue to grow in the market and probably in the next 5 or so years hydrogen will start yo make inroads. Linde, Hyster and Toyota are sinking billions into hydrogen research but nobody in the mhe industry is putting anything into Amonia doesn't that tell you anything?? It does me.
Come on davey boy where is your truck???

In the US all those longshoremen on the east coast from Maine to Houston in the Gulf are striking. Besides a big pay increase they want LESS automation for container handling so they can have more union brothers working on the docks.

Once upon a time YOU claimed you and your investors were going beach multiple rental units of those save the earth ammonia eaters on the east coast of the US. Never heard one word how that event went - care to share with the FAC public the highlights - not looking for the hidden secretes of your success - jsut the highlighys.
Gotta feeling this bloke has been to more than 1 CJ and came out with first prize blue ribbon each time. Wouldn't mind if I could take him out for a SNIPE hunt too. Hear the banks of the Chattahoochee has a lot of them - fun canoe ride..

"That's All Folks" - the sign off on every Looney Tune cartoon.

people are welcome to their opinions ,

A hole post, is anything like a post hole?

The hole post is about the future of the materials handling industry, which will change dramatically, AI will have advancements in how equipment operate, sustainability will effect how equipment is powered, china will become the dominant supplier, IC engines will be powered by new technologies with hybrid technology becoming more widely used

486 posts over 4+yrs and that doesn't include his other posts the years before that.
this has got to be a record for FLA on the longest running thread. :oD
too bad it's just one gigantic circle jerk, but it is entertaining to watch.

Well will see in about 10 years - I'll have to change my email address to a more lofty place by then to see if you are right. 'til then i jsut be a PITA for U. See I'm a '44 model got less than 3 months to enter my next decade on this planet..
Ciao & Pura Vida

No matter how much the governor of CA might want to ban IC engines, he won't be successful if the engines are 100% zero emissions

Posting an engine is only 1 component of a complete material handling forklift truck especially the larger capacity units Your Lego/Tinker Toy like mobile had more components than just an motive power things like a tranny, steering and driving axles, steering system, mast assembly with carriage and a whole variety of attachment to hand a variety of loads of many sizes and complaint to all the industrial standards from various countries and those every changing emission standards.

FYI the governor of CA has deemed it there will be ZERO engine powered fork lifts solid in the US and highway truck- tailers in Cali - some time in 2030. Sounds like a shrinking market for IC sales of any king hear

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4Fj6JzaTYA&t=10s