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Crank No Start Nissan Forklift K21

Hello everyone,

I'm having issues with my Nissan Forklift MPL01A20LV. I changed out my LPG Injector, Regulator, and Valve Assembly with all OEM. I'm still getting high fuel pressure and I am stuck on what or where to look next. I'm not sure if this may be a defective regulator that I was sent out so that may be my new direction I go in warrantying out this one I bought. Any and all help will be greatly appreciated.

Back story on the forklift : it was used the day before and it was operating without any hiccups, the very next day I had a crank/no start condition with it.
  • Posted 17 Apr 2025 14:48
  • By Aquilon
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I'm thinking that the ECU has to know that the engine is running in order to activate the assist solenoid when the engine needs more power under load. Your accelerator pedal tells your throttle sensor that it needs to open farther when you step down on it. Then the ECU will respond and open the assist or boost solenoid to compensate for the extra load being applied. Still thinking the holder is plugged. Just in case the ECU p/n's have to be exactly the same. You can't just change one over from just say a dual fuel unit. Part numbers would have to match.
  • Posted 30 Apr 2025 08:27
  • Modified 30 Apr 2025 08:34 by poster
  • By mwjago
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mwjago
The main issue I have is this LPG assistor that has power going to it. If I put direct power to it you can hear propane and smell getting shot from the injector. Without direct power to it it has a very subtle smell of propane. I checked voltage on it and I don't have any volts going to it at all. I pulled back all the electrical tape and even checked almost all the spots going back to the ECU and still nothing. I'm curious if it is just an ECU issue as I see those wires going to the ECU. I can't find much information on these K21/K25s but they do repairs on these ECUs for a reason.
  • Posted 30 Apr 2025 08:01
  • By Aquilon
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Well now you know that it is able to run with the starting fluid sprayed into it. Your fuel from the vaporizer is suppose to be high pressure which it is to the injector holder. Your injector turns it into low pressure to feed the motor. If it was high pressure it would flood the engine and then it wouldn't start either. If it isn't supplying very much fuel through the injector holder then I would say that it is still clogged up with tar since you can't smell much propane. As I stated earlier sometimes even soaking the holder assy. will not breakup the tar inside. Solvents or brake cleaner usually will not break it up and get things unstuck. That sensor with the spring and plunger will actually boost fuel when the engine needs it when you step on the gas pedal. I tried something once, I fed propane from a propane torch into the air intake to see if it would start and run. If I remember it did start and ran but you have to feed it enough to get it started. ALWAYS BE CAREFUL WHEN WORKING WITH PROPANE!! Tar builds up inside a vaporizer and needs to be drained at times when the engine has been run and everything is hot. The tar turns into liquid form and can be drained. I'm wondering if you could pull the injector housing off and gut the sensors and injector out of it and dip it in boiling water for awhile and see if any tar softens to liquid and maybe it will get unplugged. I've never tried this ever before but it might be worth a shot. You have a lot of expensive parts already installed so it might work possibly. Hopefully it will start and run for you.
  • Posted 30 Apr 2025 07:08
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mwjago
Ok, so when turned off the LPG and sprayed starting fluid into the air box while cranking and pumping the gas pedal it will start.

I don't know how the LPG coming out of the injector is supposed to look like but it does not smell nearly as strong as the LPG that comes out of the inlet pipe from the vaporizer and that has a white misty appearance to it. I'm not sure if that sensor to the right of the injector is the problem. I cleaned out the injector housing with brake cleaner and still the same problem. The sensor that I'm talking about is called the LPG assistor that has a plunger with a spring in it.
  • Posted 30 Apr 2025 05:47
  • By Aquilon
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I removed the intake air pipe that goes to the throttle body, when I turn the key it does push air out but it barely smells like propane and has no color. It doesn't look like the vaporized LPG coming from the regulator at all. It looks like something is plugged up in that injector holder and it hardly lets any LPG pass through to the injector. Just looks like straight air blowing out of it and hardly smells like propane and once I undo that fuel line from the regulator that feeds into the injector housing it seems like a lot of pressure is built up from that propane having nowhere really to go since it is plugged up somewhere.

When I sprayed some starting fluid into the air box after I mounted everything back up it does start after pumping the gas consistently.
  • Posted 30 Apr 2025 05:44
  • By Aquilon
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Put it all back together and spray it right down into the inj holder. If you have spark it should do something. I've never had a timing chain go bad on a K21 OR K25 but anything is possible. I think you can remove the oil fill cap and look inside to see if you have any rocker arm action when you crank it over. You mentioned earlier that you thought it wasn't getting any air into the cylinders. If the chain is off your valves don't open and no fuel or air gets inside.
Motors with timing belts are bad for that problem. This engine has a chain. Somewhere it has an issue that just needs to be located. Everyplace there is a brass colored cap on the inj holder there is a spring and check ball that you can't remove , sometimes you can clean it enough to make it work and other times you can't. Did you spray inside all the port holes of the holder? Thats where the tar clogs everything up. Good Luck
  • Posted 29 Apr 2025 11:19
  • By mwjago
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mwjago
Yes, I changed out all 4 spark plugs and ignition coils. The fuel screen I did locate and I cleaned it out. You're saying I should spray some starting fluid down the throttle body and try to start it? Without the injector holder and all that plugged up or should I leave it plugged in.

Yes so it does have that small whining noise and the throttle body opens up when the key is turned on. Then it closes back up again. I'm just not sure if its supposed to stay open while cranking or not.

I did take the injector holder off to clean out with brake cleaner but it does not look that dirty on the inside. I have new sensors ordered as well, fuel injector is new so no need to replace that. I tested it and it works without problems.

I changed out the harness to the crank and cam sensors and still to no avail.

I'll check again with the air filter removed to crank it and see if it smells like propane. I have dozens of other projects I am working on so hard to remember if it does!
  • Posted 29 Apr 2025 05:23
  • Modified 29 Apr 2025 05:55 by poster
  • By Aquilon
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With the air cleaner air horn off and cranking it over did you smell any propane? If not I would try spraying the starting fluid directly into the throat of the throttle body to see if it will start. If it does start then the injector housing is probably plugged with tar. It sounds like your throttle body is working properly. The small whining noise is when the throttle plate opens slightly when the key is turned on. From earlier messages you said you have spark to the plugs and a blast of fuel to the injector housing thats the way it's suppose to work. Did you locate that fuel screen yet????? Have you pulled the plugs and checked their condition? If you haven't be careful because they can bind up and strip the threads out in the head!! Be careful doing this!! The new plugs are not threaded all the way to the bottom of the plug to stop that issue.
  • Posted 27 Apr 2025 10:07
  • Modified 27 Apr 2025 10:17 by poster
  • By mwjago
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mwjago
It did not die on me. I used it one day and the next day I went to start it and it did not want to start. I'm starting to think it may be an issue with no air getting into the combustion chamber. I did just check the throttle body and removed the cover to see if it opens. In start position it moves around by itself and stops. When cranking only when pushing the pedal it opens up, otherwise it remains closed. Not sure if that could be the issue. It's very strange that it would not start the next day when I had it running the day before. That's why I was thinking it was some sort of electrical issue. Before that it ran without hiccups.
  • Posted 27 Apr 2025 08:00
  • By Aquilon
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Yeah, it should be under the sensor that goes down into the inj holder or depending on a s/n break there could be a metal indented cover held with 2 screws on top of the inj holder. About the size of a quarter. I would also try spraying starting fluid all around the intake manifold while cranking it over. You might have a major vacuum leak somewhere. If you do and it attempts to run then it might be cracked. I had one once. I am also not sure if it died on you while driving or just wouldn't start the next day for you.
  • Posted 25 Apr 2025 10:28
  • By mwjago
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mwjago
I haven't checked out those other parts of the engine just yet but will mess with it later today. I did check the voltage going to the cam sensor and it drops to 4 ish Volts when cranking. On they key in the start position it gets battery voltage both the cam/crank sensors.

I do notice a slight whining sound coming from the throttle body. Fuses are all good even the fuse in the fuse holder on the injector red wire. Is the mesh fuel screen in the injector holder part of where the injector is bolted to and where it bolts to the top of the throttle body?
  • Posted 24 Apr 2025 07:08
  • Modified 24 Apr 2025 14:11 by poster
  • By Aquilon
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Another thing to check is the throttle position motor. When you turn the key on the throttle plate in the throttle housing should make a slight whining noise for a second or two. If you don't hear it then it may have a bad wire in the connector or the throttle motor may have died. Broken wires in the plugs was always an issue. Did you ever locate the fine mesh fuel screen in the injector holder?? It should be under the sensor going down in the holder or there could be a metal indented cap with 2 screws on top of where it's located. S/N break. If it's plugged with tar it will not start for you either. And the injector housing could still be the culprit. There are check **** and springs that get stuck with the tar and won't feed fuel. I would double check the fuse in the red wire of the LPG fuel injector. Should be a 3 amp mini style. You have fuel to the inj holder and spark to the plugs so probably a issue with fuel not getting into the engine. Listen for that throttle motor to make it's small whining noise. That is located under the inj housing and on top of the intake manifold.
  • Posted 24 Apr 2025 06:33
  • Modified 24 Apr 2025 06:34 by poster
  • By mwjago
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mwjago
Do you have any idea of where else I should check voltage at to see if maybe it's a bad sensor or part of the harness that isn't open? All 4 ignition coils I have power at as well.
  • Posted 24 Apr 2025 04:09
  • By Aquilon
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Well, unfortunately the cam and crank sensors did not solve my issue. I have a fully charged battery on the forklift right now.

I should be getting full battery voltage now with two brand new sensors on it so at least that side is solved. This forklift was seldom used and is kept inside my warehouse. All the wires look to be intact and there are no frays, breaks, etc on any of the wires I have seen.

I'm just confused as to how I got it started before when I changed out the crank sensor and cam sensors and now it does not want to start at all.
  • Posted 24 Apr 2025 04:08
  • By Aquilon
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That harness that leads to the crank and cam sensors is the only short replaceable harness on the whole machine. There is a connector for it about in the middle of the block down under the coils and the cyl. head. You might look at that too, sometimes that harness will be bad or it could have a poor connection. I didn't see any code or hours where the hour meter is. A crank code would be an E-27 but maybe with the low voltages it may not trigger a code. Hopefully you discovered what the real issue is and can get it fired up and back to work again. Sometimes tracking these things down can be a real pain. Hope you get it going!!!
  • Posted 23 Apr 2025 09:55
  • By mwjago
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mwjago
I think I just got this figured out, I had almost no voltage on the signal wire and positive wire going to the crank sensor when it was taken out of the engine. I plugged in another sensor I had that I bought and instantly got battery voltage to it. Waiting for two new Hitachi sensors to come in the morning and I'm certain I will have it started in the afternoon.

All the wiring had no breaks to it on any of the relay boxes and the sensors on the engine.

Thanks for all the help and hopefully I will have an update tomorrow!
  • Posted 23 Apr 2025 08:25
  • By Aquilon
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It acts like it wants to hit on the first spray of starting fluid but does not. I'm attaching pictures of the crank and cam sensors I just took off. I just want to confirm the connectors are plugged in correctly.

I am getting several lights on the dash when the key is turned in the on position. Neutral Green lights up, a circle with in exclamation mark in the middle with parentheses right above the neutral green lights up, an exclamation mark lights up, the battery indicator lights up, and the coolant/temperature indicator lights up.

Not sure how I can upload pictures on here, it doesn't show me where I can. I'll try to figure that out so I can add pictures.

The crank sensor that points downward I have the green connector plugged in and the cam sensor that points inward I have the black connector plugged into it.

Here's the icloud link that I have for the 4 pictures of the cam sensors, dash pictured (clear plastic was faded and I had to scrape away the yellowing), and the connectors. The black sensor (downwards) I had in the crank sensor spot and the grey sensor (inwards) I had in the cam sensor spot.

https://www.icloud.com/photos/#/icloudlinks/0989iADlzhpxVvTGv71DBnM8Q
  • Posted 23 Apr 2025 07:26
  • Modified 23 Apr 2025 07:33 by poster
  • By Aquilon
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Your crank and cam sensor can both be changed out at the LH rear tire under neath. The crank sensor points downward toward the crankshaft pully. The cam sensor points inward toward the engine block and is above the crank sensor. You cannot install one for the other. They both look very similar. I'm concerned that there is no MIL light on when you turn the key on. Do any of the lights on the dash light up with the key on?? Again, make sure the wiring is good on the relay box under the LH step panel that you have to remove. Have you tried the shot of ether? If it pops off then you eliminate any wiring issues. These trucks also have a lot of issues with broken wires at nearly all the plugs leading to the sensors. Check them thoroughly because they are very thin wires. The main fuel injector housing which bolts to the intake manifold housing could also be plugged up with tar from the propane. I also had a unit with a broken intake manifold so check that too. Try the ether trick and see what happens because that can rule out a lot of different things. Another thing to check is the very fine mesh fuel screen that is located on the injector housing under the sensor that is installed straight down into the housing on the LH side as your looking at it. These can also plug up with tar and not allow fuel to pass through. Keep me posted.
  • Posted 22 Apr 2025 08:13
  • Modified 22 Apr 2025 08:38 by poster
  • By mwjago
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mwjago
There's no MIL light on the dash. I don't have a forklift specific scanner but I do have an Autel Maxisys but had no codes pop up at all when scanned. Not sure if it would even pull codes, however it does have an OBD2 connector.

All relays I did not check since I don't have an electrical diagram for it that I found just yet. Fuses are all good.

The way this forklift just "died" when it was used the day prior just pointed in my mind to some sort of electrical problem.

I checked spark on all 4 ignition coils and I have spark on all of them. I replaced the ignition coils, MAF sensor, crankshaft position sensor, regulator/vaporizer, LPG solenoid (one that has the fuel filter attached to it), and the injector I changed out is this part Forklift Injector-LPG Nikki A6600-FU571.

When you do try to crank and start the forklift in the past it did start and die. Prior to when I changed out only the LPG injector I changed out the crankshaft position sensor and I got it started. After it started I kept it on for 10 seconds before killing the ignition to put everything back together. Unfortunately it did not start back up again... I changed out that crank sensor 2/3x but no luck still. I read they have metal capped ones and plastic capped ones and not sure which of the two would work better and last longer. I was able to cross reference it to the exact same nissan crankshaft position sensor from a car and got the OEM one from the dealer.

I have not just yet changed out camshaft position sensors. The one I changed out which I'm fairly certain is the CPS where I removed the fan, belts, and it was on the front timing cover area.

I just checked the fuel line disconnected and it does release a blast of raw fuel for 2-3 seconds. It does not keep shooting fuel afterwards.
  • Posted 22 Apr 2025 07:00
  • By Aquilon
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If you remove your fuel hose from the injector holder housing and turn the key on you should have a blast of high pressure raw fuel come out for about 2 seconds then it stops. VERY IMPORTANT!!!! DO NOT POINT THE HOSE ANYWHERE IN YOUR DIRECTION!!! ALWAYS POINT AWAY FROM YOURSELF!! Your L01 unit is a fairly older machine therefore I would check the wiring on the relay box under the LH step panel for corroded wiring under the box itself. A common issue. Next I would check for spark by pulling a coil and plug. If there isn't any fire I would check the ign. capacitor on the wiring harness inside the tunnel located behind the same relay box mentioned earlier, Between the frame and the engine. It should be chocolate brown in color, newer ones were yellow. Wiring on this plug also corrodes, You could also have MAF, crankshaft, or cam sensor issues. No codes on dash???? Or the MIL light on?? You said you changed out the valve assy. I assume that was the inj holder housing. They plug up with tar from the fuel. Check all fuses and relays. Another issue the L-series had was internal connections inside the bottom of the fuse box. Usually when this happens the fuel lockoff solenoid will not click open. Hope something here might help you. I'll keep an eye on your posts. Good Luck!! One more question, will it try to fire with a shot of ether???
  • Posted 20 Apr 2025 01:51
  • By mwjago
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mwjago

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