hi again, the thermostat came out in pieces but it seems it was stuck closed because it was hard to open it even when the spring was missing. than i cranked it over when the housing was off and it pumped water out of it. i am assuming this means the water pump is pumping. I also foung that the radiator cap had no seal and was very loose and there was very little anti freeze in the rusty water.I will buy a new thermostat tmorrowand coolent and let you know i really appreciate you working with me. - thanks danny