people seem to believe i like knocking KION in fact i don't its just they have many problems in front of them to get to were they want to be for 2020.


The new evo H50 - H80 could be classed as best in range at moment the 1401 again might be classed as best in range for driverbilaty and over life time cost the X39 again a good truck. The problem to me is the cost Linde charge. In europe people pay and linde have good market share , in North america a market linde knows they have to do well in they are classed as to expensive when compared with the likes of toyota hyster Yale Hyundai Doosan. It seems to me that the North american market like a basic tough truck and europe like a truck that has all the mod cons

Hi sorry no there is not a way to PM but you could email me at enquiries at exalt-mh.com or just look me up on linkedin dot com Dave O'Callaghan Exalt

I think exalt's post makes a lot of sense, even if the deals aren't 100%. Is there any way to PM in this forum as I'd like a further chat exalt. Thx

You seem to Like having a go at me im not bad mouthing KION they say they have the 2020 plan to be number one again in the market but to do this they need to buy Hyster Yale this looks unlikely. They don't really have any plans to concur North America a market they only have a couple of % market share here.


KION have a lot in front of them to get to were they plan to be in 2020

Will we see your truck in 2016 Dave/exalt ??? Or are you just going to spend the year bad mouthing kion again???

Looks like KION might not buy Hyster Yale this year the reason being KION might not be able to raise the Billions of dollars needed for the bid.

Since the purchase of most of KION shares by Weichai in 2012 KION has seen the gap between them and Toyotah
Has grown to around two Billlion Euro from 500 million KION stated that it would like to be back at No 1 spot by 2020 but a possible lack of funding might stop this from happening as the only way to do this is to purchase Hyster Yale.

KION might have other matters to contend with as well it may be that the name Linde might revert back to Linde gas in some countries over coming years as Linde gas owns the name Linde also when Weichai bought KION hydraulics business they agreed to stay out of supplying other OEM's with hydraulics for a fix time this again seems to be up in coming years. So will this mean that the once mighty Germany owned company now manly owned by a Chinese company will start to be broken up.


KION will have many problems over the coming Years mainly how to concur North America and with the problems that might be around the corner have some more

@hsvpaul

I think the gent from the the UK was referring to "cheap" finance rates. In the US, Toyota price is at the upper end but when it comes the a Fair market Value lease price, primarily a 36 month contract, their monthly rates are always lower than anyone - the 48 or 60 month rates are in line with most. The residual value plus finance % has a lot to do with it.

Toyota was doing this back in the mid 1990's and was doing it in 2007 when I retired. So it seems not to be a short term program & one that help make them #1. Not certain what they are doing today. One of the strategies is to create faster turn over of new equipment leases to maintain or increase factory production and secondly create a consistent supply of low hour, good & very profitable (for the dealer & commissioned sales people) used truck sales. Example, ran into situations, where two customer bought into a 3 year lease with cheap rates - both had less than 300 hours on the machine at the end of the lease & the Toyota dealer sold them the unit at very nice price (Fair Market Value) meaning a large price & the customer thought they got a great deal. You might look at this approach as a 3 year paid for (at a low monthly rate) demo where there is no competition as the buyout of the FMV happens at least 90 days prior to lease expiration - competitors don't know those dates very often.
This program was developed in the US under the direction of Dr. Shankar Basu who I had the pleasure of working with in my Allis-Chalmers days. One day after returning to work after attending a AMA meeting in Chicago he was hungry. So I introduced him to a true American delicacy, the infamous White Castle hamburger, aka "sliders", he ate a sack full. About 2 hours later he discovered the true meaning of gastronomical distress. Yep, he called me some "unique" names.

hahaha Toyota Forklifts in New Zealand is not exactly representative of the sales strategy of Toyota MH globally.
You did however succeed in getting Linde out of the NZ market fairly successfully.
Hellaby Holdings really did have some vision there.
They should have stuck with managing shoes and barbecues.

I work for a Toyota agent and we far from give the product away. we are probably at the top end of the pricing structure compared to Crown, Hyundai, Hyster,Yale.

So here we are in 2016, my question to what lies ahead, is how much longer can Toyota continue to buy the market place at such cheap rates.
A World Brand, that quite rightly asks premium rates for its Automotive products, so why give the trucks away ?

MCF the umbrella company is a joint venture company 80 owned by MHI & 20% Caterpillar Inc. MCFA, MCFE and MCFS are production and/or marketing arms for products that they produce or have a marketing agreement with or both. - like with Jungheinrch. These two companies have been bed fellows for many decades mainly in the construction equipment sector - motor graders, hydraulic excavators, small bulldozers & low HP diesel engines, etc.

No doubt there will be some streaming lining in production and sharing of R & D costs to reduce overall operational costs with the main goal to remain competitive in a competitive world market. If you snooze you will lose. As I often say no customer really wants to buy a lfit truck & continue to finds ways to reduce their fleet size until the do they have to buy (rent, lease, etc.) one. And there are more brands entering the market - some are just rebadged brands mainly from China.

I thought MCFE and MCFA were subsidiaries of MHI, that means Unicarriers, MCFE and MCFA are subsidiaries of MHI. They might not have much to do with them at the minute. But they will start to reduce manufacturing and RD costs eventually.

Just for your info, MCFA does not have anything to do with Unicarriers i n the foreseeable future. MHI (Mitsubishi Heavy Industries) does. My sources, say the recently formed MHI/Nichiyu who bought Unicarriers will use the Unicarrier product to help them better serve market covered by the MCF group which includes MCFA covers the western Hemisphere from the Artic Circle to the tip of S. America, MCFE covers Europe and MCFS (as in MCF Singapore covers the Asian market except for the country of Japan - MHI/Nichiyu now do it and maybe down to the down under country (I stand to be corrected on that point). Of course there will be discussion between the MCF Group, Unicarriers, MHI/Nichiyu & Junghenrich from time to time as things start to unfold.

With this in mind you may want to redo your top ten SWAGs of what might happen or see if Carnac The Magnificent (actually the person that took over from the original Carnac) is available for consulting. - he always had the right answers. A google search will give you more insight into the who, what , when, where & how of the Great Carnac.

Merry Christmas

No But NACCO did say they were for sale and have not said they are OFF the market. So this is why i believe they will be either sold or form a alliance. Junghienric will also form alliance so there is nothing wrong with this if I go on everything I have a problem with the hole Industry. Like I said its only my opinion

You don't put a for sale sign out side your house then say why do people think its for sale

Do you have something against Hyster/Yale?