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Yale clco70 a910v spitting and sputtering ,missfire code

I have 2 Verasitor Yales that had the heads rebuilt 3000 hrs ago. Both are back to the same antics. Same codes same actions. These are the 2.4 GM engine. The fuel system has the pressure sensor on the fuel rail. A third truck had the ECM and injectors from an older Hyster installed on it when the head was done and is running great.
Is it in my head or is the later Fortis/ Verasitor trucks extreamly hard on cylinder heads? I have ten of the older trucks that have no pressure sensor and they all have 10k plus hrs with absolutely no head problems.
  • Posted 30 Sep 2010 06:31
  • By proshadetree
  • joined 23 Feb'06 - 484 messages
  • Tennessee, United States
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Hi Pro,
This is not a viable option because the VSM (vehicle systems manager) on the trucks would not allow it. However there have recently been multiple service grams put out by NACCO pertaining to flash upgrades for the ECU, Regulator, and VSM that should help your problems.
  • Posted 11 Oct 2010 10:18
  • By certifiedtech
  • joined 5 Aug'10 - 39 messages
  • Ohio, United States
Is it possible to copy the old ecm and reload it into the newer style to make the system run richer? I do not have any problems with the old style trucks that have no pressure sensor on the fuel rail.
  • Posted 8 Oct 2010 22:41
  • By proshadetree
  • joined 23 Feb'06 - 484 messages
  • Tennessee, United States
Pro, You cannot enrich the mixture without getting a code. The tolerances for the rich and lean are so tight that the slightest adjustment will give you codes. When Yale made the switch to the emission controlled engines all the programing was set to tight. You might be able to get an after market ECU that would allow you a wider range of adjustment. I have not tried this and not sure it would work or if it would be compatible with the current system. Good Luck.
  • Posted 8 Oct 2010 01:18
  • By garland_m
  • joined 16 Oct'09 - 212 messages
  • Virginia, United States
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Garland thank you for the information. I think I better try the newer version of this head. I don't understand why the older fuel system has had no failures while the one with the pressure sensor on the rail has had 5 failures this far.
Steponmebbboom I have used this machinist for twenty plus years. Never had a problem, until these heads. He said this was an automotive engine converted to use propane and was not designed for it. I do understand that he has no knowledge of propane use on a forklift. The old 3.0 yale and hyster used was a marine engine. There are several others that have also used automotive style engines in forklifts with no problems. I do not accept his answer as the gospel. I am wondering about running them to lean with excessive combustion chamber heat. will this cause the seats to recess into the head? How can you richen up this style lift without getting a code?
  • Posted 7 Oct 2010 19:55
  • Modified 7 Oct 2010 19:57 by poster
  • By proshadetree
  • joined 23 Feb'06 - 484 messages
  • Tennessee, United States
Can these issues be addressed by a competent rebuilder? I have had heads cut before for nickel seats.
  • Posted 6 Oct 2010 08:36
  • By steponmebbbboom
  • joined 21 Nov'05 - 189 messages
  • Ontario, Canada
Pro, Yale has replaced the 2.4 cylinder heads with new and improved, part number 582002516. The original heads did have problems with the valves and seats. Not sure how good the new head is as this is the second update for the 2.4. The new cylinder head features hardened seats with higher contents of chrome, molybdenum, cobalt, and nickel, and nitrided valves. Hope this helps.
  • Posted 6 Oct 2010 06:41
  • By garland_m
  • joined 16 Oct'09 - 212 messages
  • Virginia, United States
Just had a glco50 with the Mazda engine and impco fuel system at same customer start missing and it proved to be #1 valve lash to tight. Suspect valve recessing in head on this one too. Any ideal what causes this? Truck had 9600 hrs on it.
  • Posted 5 Oct 2010 01:13
  • By proshadetree
  • joined 23 Feb'06 - 484 messages
  • Tennessee, United States

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