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the End of Materials Handling as it is known today

The Materials Handling market is about to change. With only around six or seven of the world's manufactures serving. With in the next 10 years most warehouse will be completely different Companies like KION of China DAMATIC or TOYOTA of Japan VANDERLANDE will dominate the warehouse business with hole turnkey products. Pallet trucks, reach trucks VNA truck will all be replaced with automated equipment.

Counter balance forklift sales will also decline and be replaced with complete handling systems that will be able to move products around a facility with out the need of an operator. Out side the facility there will also be big changes Both Diesel and electric forklifts will be replaced with 100% zero emission products that will have much longer ranges then electric forklifts and will be able to handle loads up to 72,000kg while being 100% zero emission. Companies Like Hyster who have backed Hydrogen to the tune of up to $260 million investment will see this disappear as hydrogen forklifts wont be able to compete with the new technologies that will offer lower cost's ,no need for high pressure systems ,be less explosive and more cost effective than hydrogen.
  • Posted 22 Feb 2020 07:11
  • By Exalteze
  • joined 7 Feb'20 - 89 messages
  • Halifax, United Kingdom
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Exalt,

Do you really expect someone from the NACCO group to comment on this? They are a publicly traded company.
For that matter do you really expect any manufacture to comment?
  • Posted 29 Sep 2020 23:06
  • By Partsguy5
  • joined 13 Jun'12 - 409 messages
  • California, United States
Why Do you really beleive that the Hyster deals are good deals
  • Posted 29 Sep 2020 23:06
  • By Exalteze
  • joined 7 Feb'20 - 89 messages
  • Halifax, United Kingdom
Exalt leading the way to a zero emission future
You also told us over and over again that the truck would be released in April....or did you conveniently forget that?

As far as your predictions about Hyster, those make you look like a bigger idiot than your promises of a super truck. That is not my "opinion" either.
  • Posted 29 Sep 2020 22:50
  • Modified 29 Sep 2020 22:51 by poster
  • By ChrisK
  • joined 28 Feb'14 - 142 messages
  • Kansas, United States
To me the same people comment on this and they are either conected to Hyster or work for Hyster dealers or an other manufacture. the reason i say Hyster is there are some points that make us think that way, One reason why might because they know i right in what i say about Hyster because not one of them has commented on the parts i believe will be the end of Hyster Yale. this will be a $250 million write down on the Hyster NUVERA and Maximal deals some time in the next couple of years.


What their opion is to do,is they will try to discredit what we are doing as a company, IE by say we use a diesel engine when quite clearly we don't. The also seem to say quite offten in there comments when can they see the truck. When i have said over and over agin there will be an annocement this quater.
  • Posted 29 Sep 2020 22:45
  • By Exalteze
  • joined 7 Feb'20 - 89 messages
  • Halifax, United Kingdom
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well no you say there is a diesel component, there isn't a diesel coponent in the truck its Ammonia that runs the engine not diesel. basically all the ammonia engine is there to do is keep the battery charged nothing else all the truck runs as electric.
because we use new technology on the battery there are no issues on the electrics. We have seen the test for the batteries and their perfomance is suitable for our requierments

I don't know were you have got the idea of diesel from i have always said there is NO DIESEL but you keep on refering to DIESEL. There is no Diesel on the truck.


I have said Diesel truck won't be around in five years time. KION say by 2025 95% of the trucks they sell will be Lithium Iron. Diesel trucks are finished, what we have is a tottaly different truck its an Ammonia hybrid truck that is 100% ZERO EMISSION.

Now like i siad repeatedly Hydrogen won't work because of the cost and other problems with hydrogen. lithium Iron won't work because of range and the need for intermitant charging, that would cause issue with the battery over heating and catching fire. Plus every time you intermitently charge and Lithium iron battery it losses part of its opperating life. So basically all you are doing is making the power supply shorter.
  • Posted 29 Sep 2020 21:25
  • By Exalteze
  • joined 7 Feb'20 - 89 messages
  • Halifax, United Kingdom
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well it's a contradiction
the truck can't be "pure" electric if there is a diesel component on it.
you're trying to have it both ways telling us that it is 'pure electric' but oh yeah, there is this diesel engine on there too just to keep the battery charged.
So now not only does the customer have to worry about the battery and electric part of the truck they also have to worry about the diesel and fuel part too.
What i'm saying here is if your promoting 'going green' having that diesel engine on there contradicts the 'getting rid of fossil fuels' agenda that i keep hearing those carbon free supporters touting all the time. If we look at it from that standpoint your hybrid truck will become obsolete before you even get it off the ground good if they get what they want.
And besides that, havn't i seen you say more than once that diesel engines will be a thing of the past very soon? That also makes it very confusing that you would build a truck with diesel technology on it if diesel power is going to be extinct in the near future because of the carbon free initiative.
Get my drift?
  • Posted 29 Sep 2020 20:58
  • Modified 29 Sep 2020 20:59 by poster
  • By swoop223
  • joined 23 Mar'12 - 3,691 messages
  • North Carolina, United States
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What I would like to know how is he planning on refueling these? I found a fair amount or articles that say the biggest draw back to this type of system is the infrastructure to support said system.
  • Posted 29 Sep 2020 20:06
  • By Partsguy5
  • joined 13 Jun'12 - 409 messages
  • California, United States
OK on a tight turn how do you control the inside wheel speed , torque, and direction, or otherwise known as differntal steering? How about the outside wheel?
  • Posted 29 Sep 2020 20:02
  • By triumphrider
  • joined 31 Jan'11 - 304 messages
  • Texas, United States
we have always said its an ammonia hybrid, The Letaq Exalt V Range employs a 100% Zero Emission ammonia hybrid system, where the zero emission ammonia engine a compact 4.4L 4 cylinder works at optimum speed as a energy generator to charge the battery. The engine is disconcerted from the Wheels and hydraulics and drive is provided by two electric motors in each front wheel hub, with two electric motors providing power for the lift, tilt & power steering.

The result of this system is a highly efficient electric continuously variable drive, that requires No Clutch / Torque Converter, No Mechanical Transmission, No Drive Shafts, No Differential Axle. This ensures fewer moving parts, an optimum energy flow and fewer power and energy loss


The drawing are to give peopel an idea of what the final truck will look like. The final truck will be shown when we do the annocement later this quater
  • Posted 29 Sep 2020 17:30
  • By Exalteze
  • joined 7 Feb'20 - 89 messages
  • Halifax, United Kingdom
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well very good
you made a web page with some data on these two units and i saw a couple others as well.
Your concept i'm afraid looks a lot like the hybrid designs cars are already using with the generator motor to charge the batteries like in the first gen toyota prius and a couple of those other brands that came out with this concept.
no cgi presentation on this site?
presenting it as 'pure electric' ???
what about that ammonia power pack? 4 cyl diesel engine running to charge the battery pack is hardly 'pure electric' sir.
It would be more accurate to call it a hybrid electric, the legal crap you can get into over things like that you don't want.
Who designed your website anyway? not very professional looking imo.
And the concept drawings of the lifts your showing doesn't convince anyone they are real sir.
What's that thing over the operators compartment? a cover? a helmet? a bad hairdoo? what?
dude, you really need to either show it and i mean ACTUALLY show it or get used to being labeled the con man your looking like.
sorry but enough is enough.
  • Posted 29 Sep 2020 06:31
  • By swoop223
  • joined 23 Mar'12 - 3,691 messages
  • North Carolina, United States
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the annoucment will be the showing of the truck. To me its quite simple when you show something you make and annoucement.

look at wwwdotevzedotme/V160 or V90ECH there much better


Also known of you so called experts have said if you agree if paying $100 Million plus $10 million investment to purchase Maximal was a good deal for Hyster



If you are going to comment make a comment about all of the post
  • Posted 29 Sep 2020 00:21
  • Modified 29 Sep 2020 00:31 by poster
  • By Exalteze
  • joined 7 Feb'20 - 89 messages
  • Halifax, United Kingdom
Exalt leading the way to a zero emission future
https://wwwdotevzedotme/v100-v120
  • Posted 28 Sep 2020 23:35
  • By mrLifter
  • joined 9 May'10 - 54 messages
  • Buckinghamshire, United Kingdom
swoop

You are correct in everything you said except for one observation.

In this case, the village idiot can't see it as the village idiot is the one spouting it.
  • Posted 28 Sep 2020 22:52
  • By ChrisK
  • joined 28 Feb'14 - 142 messages
  • Kansas, United States
well chrisk
why else do you think i mentioned earlier this is just one big vicious circle with this guy
how many rounds have we gone with this guy on this issue? i lost count :oD

anyway i'm pretty sure as far as any of us engaged in this discussion are concerned at THIS POINT? is the 'wonder truck' he claims to have, well, it doesn't exist till he actually presents it, no matter what he claims.
Anyone if articulate enough can dig up data and talk about it till the cows come home but in the end none of it really matters unless you have something 'materially' , 'real life' to show for it. (to date he has shown us nothing substantial to prove his claims).
You know it, i know it, any of us that have been in this industry for any substantial amount of time knows it. I mean really, any village idiot can see it :oD.
  • Posted 28 Sep 2020 22:48
  • By swoop223
  • joined 23 Mar'12 - 3,691 messages
  • North Carolina, United States
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Everybody pay attention:

On Page 7, post dated April 7 2020 (remember the April promise) Exalt said:

"The truck will be released in the fourth quarter and people will be able to see it,"

Did you hear that?......RELEASED

Fast forward to September 26, 2020 where Exalt said:

"We have said there will be an announcement in this quarter which we are sticking to, there will be an announcement this quarter that will explain our product."

Did you hear that?.....We have gone from RELEASED to an ANNOUNCEMENT

Did I mention the April Promise?

Que the explanations with a bunch of garbage that WON'T explain the change along with some dribble about Hyster, Clark, IC Engines, Lithium Batteries, etc etc etc.
  • Posted 28 Sep 2020 22:10
  • By ChrisK
  • joined 28 Feb'14 - 142 messages
  • Kansas, United States
We won't do anything till after the annoucement this quater this includes posting pictures or videos, I wouldn't even know were to start on post a picture on forkliftaction.


As for Hyster / yale i don't know any body their and have never appraoched them about anything. I do research on all companies that will be competitors to our products, these include Kalmar Kone Cranes, Hyster, Sany, Heli, Hangcha, KION, Toyota really any company that has forklift over 10,000kg. In this reaserch i do come across some very interesting points like what Hyster Yale are planning to do NUVERA this is open knowledge as its in their investor presentaion. I also know from our own people that hydrogen fuel cells won't be economically viable due to high cost and other problems accoisiated with hydrogen. I also understand the value of a company and really $100million + for Maximal in China is around $80 Million to high. Hyster Yale paid way to much money for a bankrupt company. I also understand the Hyster deal with Tractors of India that are taking sales away from Hyster and will be part of the reason Nijmegen will close with in the next 24 month.

As for the technology and service engineers, all the work on the modulars would be carried out in a service centre under factory conditions allowing the service techs to be able to work on the modular with or with out a laptop it will be their own choice and preferance.
  • Posted 28 Sep 2020 21:20
  • Modified 28 Sep 2020 21:23 by poster
  • By Exalteze
  • joined 7 Feb'20 - 89 messages
  • Halifax, United Kingdom
Exalt leading the way to a zero emission future
OK where is this truck and why do not post a picture or video of it in action? It does not exist

Did you approach Hyster/Yale with your world beating idea only to be told to get lost?

You make it sound like a idiot can work on this thing I know of a similar idea that was tried out about 20 years ago and it did not work, Some of the techs i see now really do not have a clue unless it is displayed in great detail on their laptops. I got so annoyed at one tech i took his laptop and placed it on the truck there was an issue with and told him have his laptop fix the thing It just sat there.
  • Posted 28 Sep 2020 20:21
  • By triumphrider
  • joined 31 Jan'11 - 304 messages
  • Texas, United States
So the trucks modulars would be manufactured at the Dubai facility, then shipped to North America, This is the plan at the moment. This could change if other facilities are added like one in Europe and one in North America.

It is quite right that if a component was to fail the modular would be taken out and an exchange modular fitted to allow the truck to get back in service as quickly as possible. The modular would the be taken to the service depot ware it would be looked at and repaired by a technician then placed back into the exchange storage area. Training for the technician can be done quite easily as technicians are usually quite smart and most of the basics are very similar to what they would already know.


Its like having a technician working for say Toyota working on Toyota trucks then moving to Equipment Depot to work on Cat truck there would be some training but it would be quite easy for the tech to do.
  • Posted 27 Sep 2020 18:12
  • By Exalteze
  • joined 7 Feb'20 - 89 messages
  • Halifax, United Kingdom
Exalt leading the way to a zero emission future
johnjr
i believe he said they are currently being built in dubai?
now as for repairing one?
no training needed apparently?...
they are leggo blocks (plug n play)...
one component breaks ya unplug and and then replug a new one in...
anyone can do it right?
Field Service technicians/Engineers? who needs em, right exalt?
:oD
  • Posted 27 Sep 2020 03:46
  • By swoop223
  • joined 23 Mar'12 - 3,691 messages
  • North Carolina, United States
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So it's an announcement now this quarter not an actual truck, what a surprise!
  • Posted 27 Sep 2020 01:28
  • By mrLifter
  • joined 9 May'10 - 54 messages
  • Buckinghamshire, United Kingdom

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