Lifter 01, who are you no one knows who you are or what you are. You say I slander companies particularly Hyster and before that Linde.


The only remarks I have made about Hyster have come from Hyster own information and presentations. We have looked at these presentations and made what is our opinion a comment these comment are our opinions. Now for Linde we have only made a couple of comments about Linde both have been proven to be true the First was the Purchase of shares by Chines group Weichai power and the second was about Linde heavy lift trucks closing the Merthyr Tydfil facility. So how come these are slandering companies.

We have made comments on what our opinion is going to happen in the materials handling market in the future. Yet this Discussion: is called the end of materials handling as it is known today. Not I'm a person who knows nothing about what I'm talking about.


You know nothing about our company and our structure so who are you warning and why are you warning them.

What is your expertise on our company or what information do you know about our company to enable to be a expert to give a warning. Like i have said you are a person who wont even give your indentaty. YOU WILL ALWAYS HIDE BEHIND A NAME.

you might get a little bit of respect if you Said my name is Joe Blogs I have worked for ABC industries for the last 90 years and in my opinion i think this and this is the reason for it.

So admin it is perfectly ok for exalt (Dave) to outright lie on the forum, slander companies (particularly Hyster and before that Linde) but not ok for the rest of us to call the guy out??
I will post what I posted before admin and let's see if you allow it this time.
I looked on the companies house website in the uk and it was funny to notice that Exalt-mh is listed to be stuck off. I posted that as a warning

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We can all stand around your christmas tree -- socially distanced of course and sing that well known song... Its the end of (materials handling) as we know it

Have my popcorn ready for the promised big announcement. It won't go to waste if it don't happen I'll just string it up and put around the Christmas tree.

Not seen any announcement yet, time is running out..........again!

Clearly the German Army is a giant failure too. They have no idea the Diesel Powered Hyster Reach Stackers they just purchased will be obsolete by the end of this quarter.

For sure. My comment was made with tongue planted firmly in cheek as they say because I have been reading the original post and subsequent comments with more than a pinch of salt added.
All these "has-been" companies spending money on out-dated technology...what is the world coming to???

Clearly Linde has no idea what they are doing. Linde will probably end up a "has-been" just like Hyster will become.

Tat2dPete,
you have to take this guy with a grain of salt
if you read his posts you'll quickly understand why

As for hydrogen, the fuel cells have come a long way but they are still rather expensive to use and maintain which is why you only see them being used in large fleets and not so much elsewhere. Still too expensive for the little guys ;o)

So Linde have just showcased their first Hydrogen powered forklift fleet in Lucerne.
And I thought hydrogen was a lost cause according to the original thread of this post??

Like LPG there are federal, state, county & local state regulations that govern compliance. Would thing ammonia would have similar regulations and be certain one size will not fit all. Ammonia being combustible and also corrosive would have it's own set of regulations.

what the pipe line means there would be plenty of ammonia for refueling, we have depending on the amount of units on site two way of refueling, one like LPG is a on site stroage system the second is our own refueling system that is mobile and can visit customers.


When a customer rents a truck from us everything is included in the rental this includes the fuel

@exhalteze
Don't think you can "tap" into that 2000 mile of pipe line and refuel a forklift. That pipe line is used to move items such as crude oil, natural gas, diesel fuel, ethane etc. to a refinery/distribution point some where. The end user of this "phantom" forklift" will need to have on site means to refuel their unit(s) before than can use it like they do for diesel fuel, LPG or CNG, etc. Certainly all 500 of these 16T units won't be used in the same "neighborhood".

FYI the driving distance from Seattle, Washington is 3296 miles or by 2723 miles via airplane.

Name the company that owns the Ammonia pipeline that spans from Washington to Florida, we will wait.


How many units have you sold? Talking about technology, you have still not proven that your "idea" will sell. That is only proven by actual sales, not BS you type on a forum.

There is over 2,000 mile of pipeline in North America from Florida to Washington state so refueling the trucks won't be a problem. An Electrolyser that can produce 8 ton of hydrogen per day costs $6 Million each now customers might not need an 8 ton electrolyser but even one of the smallest costs around $2,5 Million. Then you have the pump to refuel the truck, i would geuse you don't even know were to purchase one of these nevermind the price of one.


California is the leading place in the world for hydrogen refueling stations and the cost of hydrogen at one of these stations is $13 per kg ,


Due you know even how much a fuel cell forklift cost, due you know how much just the fuel cell cost, what about the hydrogen tanks. A standard fuel cell at 50kwh would need 38 platinum plates, then you ned high presure storage tanks at between 300bar and 700 bar.



The only reason Walmart bought hydrogen equipment was because the Obama government made they cost effective with grants.

You all have just shown you don't have clues about any technologies in the market


If its was so easy and low cost to set up an hydrogen station then why aren't they all over the world. Reason its not

$6.5 Million for the refueling station. That's definitely a number you pulled out of your rear end.

The National Energy Research Lab published a report that fuel cells in intensive warehouse use could reduce the cost of ownership by up to 10% per year. They also stated TOTAL initial investment would be about $2.5 millions for a large distribution warehouse operating multiple shifts.

Several large companies have heavily invested in fuel cell technology, include the hundreds that Walmart alone has purchased.

You can get over your guess that we all are spies for Hyster / Yale. IF they even know you and your super truck exists, they won't be worried about it.

Bull S--T!

How many filling/storage stations are there for ammonia in North America to service those 500 "rental"units you plan to ship here over the next 3 years.? There no doubt is a cost associated with them to be safety compliant.

we are a privet company so we don't list, What ever reason you seem to support Hyster Yale but you just don't want to say it, Like i have said and it seems other people have agreed that Hydrogen Fuel cell won't work because of cost. The cost of a hydrogen fuel sell truck would be around double of a IC truck. Then you need at least $2.5 million for just one refueling pump, then you need at least $3.5Million for the electrolyser, then you need the hydrogen storage tanks. so you would be looking at a minimum 0f $6.5 Million just to get the refueling system done. Then you have the cost of producing the hydrogen on top. then if the machines are working out side you would need to change the plates in the stack around every two years and they are not cheap

If you believe people way pay that amount of money then thats your opinion but personally i don't beleive they will be. esspecially when there are better more affordable solutions coming out.