You are right Paul I was painting with too broad a brush regarding trainers. In fact I haven't met a great number of trainers and chances are there are many good ones like yourself. When I was active training in the Vancouver area I was frustrated that my competitors wore blinders and insisted that operators should always wear their seat-belts. Someone made a comment that the only time operators always wore their seat-belts was at a training session or rodeo. Thanks for the input.