Hi johnr j i must agree there is a benefit to a linde against some of the smaller trucks but like you have pointed out they have never cracked the US market and 70% of linde sales are in Germany and France two large markets in Europe but not big in other parts of the world , If you look at the 6,000kg - 9,000kg truck range to me this is the best in the market at the moment. and even the 10,000kg - 16,000 kg truck is very good but a little heavy. The point i would like to make is that now the Chinese own Linde Hydraulics how long will it be before we see chinese hydrostactic trucks on the market. With the new shale gas in the US diesel and LPG trucks and now going to dominate this market. on the elec side charging problems will all way's be there. On the larger trucks Linde will all way's have a problem over 18,000 kg as basically they are the same. To be a true Global company you have to have good sales in all markets like Toyota. NACCO i think 70% of there sales are US based and you might say they are the dominate player over 6,000kg even tho the Linde truck is better. So it goes to show not all way's the best truck in the market leader. ware i think the most important part is , is in the after service you can offer if this is right then you will take more market share. Linde do very well in Germany and France for a reason there after service there is exultant. But they have never in my opinion got this across in the US ware has been pointed out in the past they have a totally different approach. When they are able to crack this then they might stand a better chance but i think it is now to late for this as KION have sold them out.