i know some times i get criticized on here but i was just wondering what people thought of this 2 x BYD lithium iron battery trucks. To replace 2 Gas trucks. Savings over £7000 per truck per year. ROI in just over 2 years post


this is the question i asked

From what you are saying, the BYD truck is 14,000 more than the lpg truck and a saving of 7,000 per year gives you a ROI of under two years.


The BYD truck will use around 7.4 kWh of electricity per hour. Based on an average price of 0.14 per KWh that's 1.03 per hour. The lpg truck should use around 3kg of gas per hour, based on a average price of 0.5 that's 1.5 per hour. So the difference is 0.47 per hour. So to save 7,000 per year you would have to work for 7,000 hours plus save around 3,000 on service per year

Sorry Johnr. Didn't mean it as an insult. I also go around on sales calls. But can't deny thank sales sometimes involves brownnosing to get the deal done. As the prayer of a salesman, "G/d, make sure the toes I step on today are not attached to the a** I have to kiss tomorrow".

Gremlins ate it :oD

did anyone find out where that thread went?

@Yidneck
Having been in sales & marketing for 41 years in the lift truck industry& hung up my spurs almost 12 years ago I am not at all offended by your comment.
But do want to know if you gave yourself that wall plaque featured in the picture under your screen name that is rotated 90 degrees too far left. Very interesting copy - maybe Joe "Willie" Namath helped you with the wording - hint: he had a book published that had a similar message.

For whatever its worth, I did not use Exhaust as a test sublect.

I thought it's perfect training for salesmen as their always......

@triumphrider
Here is a solution for under 20 bucks USD. just replace the (dot) with a. and close the white spaces

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Actually, was given a pair of these and they do work nicely for night driving and rainy days & Sundays - cuts down on the glare & every car windshield has a green mold tint to them.

Don't know how well they work for a colonoscopy view (aka the Nikon up the butt hole treatment) - there are some sharp edges. Just had one, no fun - my wife makes me wear Depends before going to bed - for a just in case moment. But the doc says all is good and it is OK to keep buying green bananas. When the doc says only buy a couple ripe bananas will I know I have an issue.

Somehow I think the release date will be April 1st, which seems appropriate.

@triumphrider
LMAO - I needed a good laugh right now - Thanks.

IM slowly de bugging my transporter beam. The problem I am having is when I transport human beings they rematerialize with their heads up their bu---. Not only is it a dark place they cannot see where they are going, Any suggestions?

I'm sure your talking about thriumphrider's transporter beam.

well guys, based on his past suggestions of how and where this new tech is going to be revealed i doubt it's going to be this spectular fanfare event that we all are anticipating. UNLESS he's changed his mind and is going to show it at a tradeshow in the EU? US?
Shrugs
Until some viable rendition of this 'miracle bread' technology is actually shown in realtime, reallife, authentic video or official documentation i'm not going to hold my breath ;o)

am patiently and somberly waiting

Get your popcorn or pizza and some beer or ale or tea or cola ( same letters spell coal - hmmm!! - is this a bad omen????)ready for show time!
Wonder what it it will be unveiled in the US on EDT?

Hope it is at the same time of day that the Aussies ring in the New Year see it is ~ 8 am in Georgia (USA) then & have a Virgin Screwdriver. Can't stay up 'til 12 am to see the Apple or Peach drop in the same ole' place - as they say SOS different day plus teh Golden Year don't help either. I really enjoy the fire works display on the Harbour Bridge, Sydney - actually very nice to watch. The Aussies I've met do like to have fun!!
BTW at 12 noon my time, that screw driver is not longer a virgin -I ain't dead yet and my doctor says it is OK to buy green bananas for the next 6 mos.

Less than 90 days till we are all blown away! April is coming quick.

@Yidneck and other.
One thing I leaned early on in engineering classes is a simple fact and that is engineering its best is a compromise that weighs the pluses against the minuses against the true added value.
During my 41 year career in the lift truck industry I read tons of product literature and I quickly discovered that every body had heavy duty, this and that and long life characteristics but not one company stated they had a "light duty or short life piece of equipment.
A few years ago GM announce that the electric Volt car was going to be the car of the future and save the world - our fed government even help pay for each one that was sold. Recently GM announce the Volt will no longer be produced in it's current configuration - it will be a Hybrid. Telsa seems to be have some issues right now too.
Recall several years ago(like 20+) CNG fuel lift rucks was the way to go and everybody offered that option. last time I looked only Toyota offered that option. There were some significant issues not mentioned during the "hype" days - things like cost of refueling stations ( slow system cheaper, fast refuel systems big bucks plus they required some annual maintenance due to teh high pressures), refuel time and the fuel tanks had to be replaced within 7 or 10 years, fuel tank help less fuel and the tanks were thick walled and could only be refuel on the truck (no tank exchange possible) and trade in values of of CNG units dropped significantly as the second had market had little appetite for used units- units had to converted back to LP to be resold... Like I said before "engineering at its best is a compromise" - it was back in the 1960s and remain so today.

Yes, kind of nice but I like the banter from the regular contributors that are knowledgeable such as yourself. I'm too old and been out of it for too long and am full of arthritis and residual effects from chemo and radiation. Generators were still de rigeur when I started out as a foreign car mechanic in N.H. Too our friends in England, I learned on Triumph, M.G., Rover, Jaguar, Lotus Europa John Player Special and even a Lotus Cortina. Thanks for the memories.

yo bobcat, that silence was kinda nice tho ;o)

A 7 ton electric forklift with a 90KW lithium iron battery, it would need 2 hours charging per day just to complete a 6 hour shift, if you were to take this against a tesla model S 100D this would have a range of an average of 500km the average weekly travel would be 320KM so the would need charging every 11 days about, 33 times a year. The 7 ton forklift working just six hours a day based on a 5 day week would need charging around 240 times a year, or 7 years' worth of charging compared to the Tesla. This will probably cause major Battery problems after around 3 years.

Now Hyster are to show there 45 ton electric truck soon. Now this truck would need a 480KW Lithium iron battery just to work a six hour shift the charging time depending on how many chargers you use say you had 5 chargers would take 2 hours, but the amount of heat this would generate could quite easily cause a fire. Now Hyster have also said they are looking at hydrogen fuel cell. A truck this size would need a 110Kw Hydrogen fuel cell plus a 110kw battery system and would use around 10kg of hydrogen per hour. A kg of hydrogen is around $5.75 so just to rum the truck would cost $57.5 per hour. Then you will have the vibration of the truck this vibration would damage the fuel cell plates after six month so every six month the complete cell would need a rebuild. The cost of the truck would be between $ 750,000 and $1,000,000

So I was wondering who would want to pay the higher cost of an electric medium or big truck with less productivity and mush higher running costs.

The only new truck I have seen from Hangcha lately is the new big electric truck the A series. This again would look to run on a lead acid battery system. Meaning running time would be limited to around just four hours

The silence is deafening.