Hi Gary!

Thanks for your comments. What exactly do you feel is "cheap" about the Heli truck? Please be specific.

very cheaply made trucks i dont care if the parts and warranty support is good or bad these trucks have no place in todays market

Tom,

I will pray for you.

Regards,

Doc

Kevan

I have read all of the communications in this form regarding the Heli product and what stands out the loudest is there is three types of responses. The first is from people who have had a bad experience with a product but fail to fully inform the public that they are complaining too that they may have been part of the problem by not properly using or maintaining the product. The second is from people who sell competitive product lines that feed off of the disgruntled and further inflate the rumored problem. Finally there are those who just like to see there name in writing and promote there own agenda.
I have been in the material handling industry for over 35 years and have seen them all come and go, I started as a mechanic and tell you none of the products produced in the U.S.A, in Japan or China have been trouble free.
Anticipating your next question, yes I work for a Heli Distributor here in the U.S.A. and I am proud of it.

Where did Jim go?

Heli was 8th in sales in Argentina in 2005, fourth in 2006 an currently (two months) is in third place behind Cat and Toyota. The "H" series Heli trucks with Japonese Isuzu or Nissan engines have proven to be very good and (alas for the dealers) consume remarkably few spares. I also understand that the Chinese engines also available for Heli trucks are not too good.
World wide, Heli now ranks # 13 in sales.
This year they will have their new 40.000 a year plant fully on line. Supposedly this will insure quality standards and reduce production times.

Let's make a fair comparison with China and Japan make product. Japan product has proved their highest quality and reliability over many years. When you consider to buy China forklift, make sure the power train (the most expensive component) is not make in China. It is very unrealible though they give u one to one exchange if break down. Initial investment may be lower but consider your downtime loss in the long run.

No Jim,

I am not your competition. Do not know wher you drew that conclusion.

I have done my research Jim, it is you who have failed to research.

On the other hand I do not know why you are here other than to tout your inferior product.

Regards

Diligence aside.

I stated fact there.

Kevan,

I was merely referencing Heli's position in world rankings, not comparing to Clark.

You really ought to take your meds. Not sure that your posts have any relevance at all. Not sure why you are here.

It's always nice to know that the competition is paying attention. Do your own due diligence when researching a forklift.

Jim

Jim,

With all due respect you want to compare yourself to Clark?

Clark has fallen, fallen and even continues to fall!!!

Would you like a detailed history of what Clark Equipment Company has done to our business?

Let us start at the end of WWII. the TCM deal?

Then the TCM Michigan Loader deal?

Oh and not to forget the Clark Melroe TCM deal?

Oh how about that fateful day, in Battle Creek Michigan, when they let all of those Japaneese people........HMMM my memory is fading, been a while, long ago, ooooh oooh oooh I remember they let all of those Japaneese forklift people come in an Photograph every inch of the Clark Facility in BC Michigan.

Then shortly after that the US recieved the "You asked it you got Toyota forklift" with Datsun AKA Nissan to follow.

Jim I was there that day in BC!!!!!, that was the day the music died.

Do not forget the ECA, GPX, GCX.

Make sure to read the 987 service bulletins for each one of these models, before you trouble shoot any of these.

If you do not have them do not bother to contact Clark the Hat because they lost these documents in a flood in wherever they were stored and that was not BC, it does not flood there.

Clark was once THE UNDISPUTED KING, once, but that was long ago and far away, remember 65% market share, 356 models?

I am not even going to go into the Brazil nightmare, or the other disasters CLARK made., Lexinton, Bowling Green, Mitsubishi, Bruse ETC,.

Oh here is another one do not forget the Drexall disaster of the late 80's, the bankruptcies of the 90's and 2K.

The less than 60% fill rate to their dealers and no parts available due to credit hold from their vendors and bankrupticie leins of the late 90's and early 2K?

I would never compare myself to the Korean Hat Manufacture of the Clark of today.

One more, I forgot, the Samsung deal as well, oh yea right Clark the forklift, I strongly disagree!!! I am thinking Clark the Hat?

The Clark name and logo has only one thing left and that is name recognization, and the Korean hat guy will loose that for them as well.

No not ever at all would I even mention my name along with the Clark of today.

I owe CLARK Equipment Company Battle Creek Michigan my career, but have no alliegance to the Clark of today.

OK Jim :

Tell the truth!

Heli, is TCM China!

TCM did in fact support modernizing forklift truck manufacturing facilities in China including Anhui Heli through its holding company, Anhui Forklift (group) Corp. This was done under the technology transfer agreement according to Chinese government requests from 1985 to 1993. Then, TCM and Anhui Forklift (group) Corp. founded two joint venture companies, one for manufacturing and distributing TCM brand forklift trucks for sales in China under a TCM brand name, another for producing a basic forklift truck component ñ counter weights. A new factory has grown out of this joint venture, and it may possibly produce forklift trucks in the future for sale in Asian countries neighboring China.

Does the US border CHINA, I need to check my Geography.

Read between the lines.

Anyone can research this, crikies mate!

TCM is playing with the same deck of cards Clark gave them, only 3 decades later.

History does repeat itself, I guess that is because people die, and new Idiots are born, this can be the only reason!

The North American Coal guy is probably looking for another OEM to add, Clark may be next maybe TCM ANULI HELI.


Then the new NACCO Green truck will have a built in toaster!

My rant is finished.

Regards

Hmmmmmmmmm may be your market not your product choice.

Think before you speak?



Regards

if joei of indonesia cannot find a heli dealer, please contact +65 96915499 singapore- not a problem to help those in the forklift industry - a noble industry not to be spoilt by some who have "pea" brain size with unnecesary competitive ugly spirit..
Let us all who are in Lift service dont give lip service but excellent service to each other overtime.

Let us be brothers bcos we have the same blood of the same industries.

A US distributor for the Heli is Southwest Equipment Sales located in Denver, CO.

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Thursday, 18 January 2007





Nacco Industries has replaced Jungheinrich in third-place ranking in German magazine dhf's World Ranking List of Manufacturers of Powered Industrial Trucks for 2005/06, while an Asian manufacturer made a surprise appearance.

The annual survey, conducted by dhf chief editor Wolfgang Degenhard exclusively for dhf, revealed the top 10 as:
* Toyota Industries Corp (Japan)
* Kion (Germany)
* Nacco Corp (USA)
* Jungheinrich (Germany)
* Crown Equipment Corp (USA)
* Mitsubishi Heavy Industries (Japan)
* Cargotec (Finland)
* Komatsu Ltd (Japan)
* Manitou (France)
* Nissan Motor Company (Japan)

With truck sales valued at EUR2.2 billion (USD2.85 billion), Nacco Corp, which produces Yale, Hyster, Deca and Sumitomo forklifts, has surpassed Jungheinrich, which made truck sales of EUR1.497 billion (USD1.94 billion) for 2005.

Crown Equipment Corp moved up one, supplanting Mitsubishi Heavy Industries. Doosan Corp also moved up one, up replacing Nippon Yosuki, the Nichiyu forklift manufacturer, at number 12.

Former 18th-ranked Terex Corp moved five positions down to number 23. Chinese manufacturers Anhui Heli and Hangzhou each moved one position up to 16th and 18th respectively.

Visit our website at heliforkliftcanada.com. This will tell you all you need to know. We service only Canada.

Keep in mind that the Heli is by no means a new product. Heli has been manufacturing machines and parts for TCM and others including their own line since the 60's.

I'm not ramming the Heli product down anyone's throat. I am merely asking people to do their own research rather than listen to the competition bashing the product on this forum. Incorrect information is posted regularly. Heli is on the right track in the past few years.

JC

Dear Jim
You are for obvious reasons very pro Heli and surely they offer a very competitive price at a quality of x (sorry have not tried Heil before).
Surely, as a rather new player on any market they will have problems to support compare to the big market player (whoever they are).
I personally would guess that selling is not the issue but as we all know we face problems on the after sales service. Parts Prices, Parts availability, delivery time, response time from Service Technician/Engineers and sure when starting up a rather small and wide spread network.
Guessing that this is nothing new when you introduce a "new" brand.
I would also guess that the NA market is around 110-115K new units a year, why don't you just tell us how very good you have done and how you handle your after sales.
Regards
Holzy

Heli Canada has been VERY successful. I'm sorry, but I'm not able to comment on sales numbers on a public forum. Acceptance has been very good. Acceptance is a product of the Canadian Forklift Distributors Limited, Heli Canada and its dealers that are behind the product. That is what makes the line successful. In the past, this support did not exist. Today, Heli is making the right decisions. This will come in the US soon through the US distributors.

Jim - what kind of volume is being done in Canada as an example. Would be a good indication of whether Heli was being accepted in the market - do you know?

Hank

Could I touch base with you regarding your experience in Argentina and any knowledge you have about the acceptance of Heli in Argentina. Very interested in reaching out on this. My number is 901-684-1082.

If you could send me your contact info, I can call you.

Thanks.

I strongly recommend that you contact the Heli Factory for the distributor in your country.

Good luck!