Oldforker I'm very serious. Dont know about on your side of the world but over here Misi/Cat Nissan don't have a good rep at all very tier 2 machines poor buld quality unreliable power-train especially in the FG40N the Nissan 6 cyl lump cracking cyl heads transmission failures lousy electronic park brakes which failed (and that was on every FG40N we supplied). The build quality of the C% was far supirior to both. Yes we had teething faults but nothing like I had when the new mitsi trucks came out. The biggest problem with the C5 was parts cost and still is until Crown sort that out you wont see too many around.