I will say this for Dave, sounds like he has a good feel for the European market. But I think that he's way off when it comes to the North American Market. I've been in this business for over 26 years and one thing that I can tell you, the players and shakers in the UK are completely different than the ones in the US. As for Caterpillar Inc. out of Peoria, not even concerned about the fork lift business. MCFA has done a great job of bringing the manufacturing back state side. Orders are way up. Joint venture w/ Mitsubishi, Cat & Nissan to develop new fuel system that meets EPA's new standards have been a success. Now Jungheinrich has joined MCFA with the Narrow Isle product. As you can read in this issue of Forkliftaction.com MCFA is expanding their Houston plant by 40 %. MCFA is also now manufacturing their larger lifts (DP70) state side instead of over seas. As for the big players here......you do not hear anything of all of the machines ya'll talk about over the pond! In the US it's Cat, Mitsu, Hyster, Yale, Raymond, Crown and Toyota. Everyone else has very little market share and doesn't have much of a presence on the dealership, sales, parts or service side.