Wow! Karl f. Some real strong words! You say you heard the Fortis is lucky to stay running? You heard that or you know it? Massive Electrical and Transmission problems? Dumping loads? Wasted their Money? I know some manufactures that are running the Fortis and have not experienced any of what you are talking about. They say it is the best $ they have ever spent on a forklift. I would like to talk to some of the people you say wasted their money! I was just on the Toyota web site taking a look at Toyota's new 8 series. Looks to me that Toyota LIKED THE FORTIS. Copied the rear drive handle with horn, Drop down LPG tank and seat side Hydraulics. Looks like reverse engineering to me. I did hear Toyota held up their release of the 8 series to see What Hyster was up to with the new Fortis. Hyster must feel good that Toyota would copy them!