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Low profile mast to improve Pedestrian Safety

I've reached my limit, and need some help. We've had another pedestrian hit by a forklift attributed to impaired vision, i.e. the mast blocking the driver's view. Thankfully the person will be fine, but it could have been a fatality.
My question for you is: Who is making a forklift or retro-fit type mast that is below the line of sight of a seated operator? I'll buy 100 of them if I can find them!
My local vendors for Linde and Hyster tell me there are none. Surely you all are dealing with this issue, are there any solutions?
  • Posted 19 Dec 2014 03:27
  • By Guido
  • joined 19 Nov'10 - 10 messages
  • Washington, United States
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Have you thought about the JCB Teletruk range? as compact as a FLT but with the boom of a Telehandler. they start at 5500lbs.

jcbteletruk_dot_com
  • Posted 29 Sep 2017 01:33
  • Modified 29 Sep 2017 01:34 by poster
  • By hall_l
  • joined 29 Sep'17 - 1 message
  • Staffordshire, United Kingdom
I know Nacco ( Yale / Hyster) made a mast for the Trucking Industry
Truckers Mast, Just talk to the Sale Manager at Fairchild In Green Bay, and they just sold a fairly new one they got in Used. If a dealer doesn't know or salesman. The need to check with the factory to see if that sped is still available. By request. Some sales people only go by the Spec sheet.
  • Posted 22 May 2015 23:54
  • By Techhelp
  • joined 16 Apr'10 - 22 messages
  • Wisconsin, United States
Dear Guido:

I am Tailift sale manger.

You can contact with me at 909-930-9801 for special order.

Thanks.
  • Posted 22 May 2015 02:49
  • By Tailiftjames
  • joined 21 Sep'14 - 3 messages
  • California, United States
Thanks to all again. Linesman and WJL24 offered some constructive help, and I really appreciate that.
  • Posted 9 Jan 2015 03:25
  • By Guido
  • joined 19 Nov'10 - 10 messages
  • Washington, United States
Yale makes a stand up with a short truckers mast. Model ESC030AC and ESC040AC with 48" overall ht. lowered and 40" of lift with 12" free lift.
  • Posted 8 Jan 2015 23:54
  • By WJL24
  • joined 21 Jun'13 - 7 messages
  • Ohio, United States
See the JCB Teletruk in action on YouTube (jcbfilms).
No mast = no visibilty problems.
  • Posted 7 Jan 2015 21:09
  • By linesman
  • joined 8 Apr'09 - 20 messages
  • Staffordshire, United Kingdom
to see what the RXX telescopic mast LOOK LIKE GOOGLE SEARCH FOR
STILL RXX VIDEO
IT IS ON UTUBE TOO

it is only 1 meter tall
Unless they hire baby midgets the driver sees everything when empty
  • Posted 7 Jan 2015 06:05
  • By darryl_w
  • joined 14 Jan'05 - 16 messages
  • Quebec, Canada
Parts finder expert
Maybe take a look at the JCB Teletruk, which has a telecopic boom instead of a mast and therefore offers unrivalled forwards visibilty
  • Posted 7 Jan 2015 03:41
  • By linesman
  • joined 8 Apr'09 - 20 messages
  • Staffordshire, United Kingdom
nope wont work
what he is asking for does not exist
no such thing as a forklift mast with 'no' blind spots

he can comm scotty and have him manufacture some transparent aluminum masts and beam them down to him ;o)
  • Posted 7 Jan 2015 02:56
  • Modified 7 Jan 2015 02:56 by poster
  • By swoop223
  • joined 23 Mar'12 - 3,691 messages
  • North Carolina, United States
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STILL DESIGNED THE RXX WITH A VERY SHORT MULTI STAGED MAST
WATCH THE MOVIE
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Th8bXYPxKVA

THEN ORDER YOUR 100 RXX MASTS FROM STILL
  • Posted 7 Jan 2015 02:26
  • By darryl_w
  • joined 14 Jan'05 - 16 messages
  • Quebec, Canada
Parts finder expert
My company (Liftking) makes short masts with this specification but we only put them on Liftking trucks.
Two other companies that can make you special mast for any truck are: Lift-Tek (USA), Tailift (Taiwan).
  • Posted 6 Jan 2015 00:23
  • By gramatik
  • joined 6 Jan'15 - 1 message
  • Ontario, Canada
I know all about Toyota material handling thanks.

The point I was making was the BT RRE Reflex would be a rare sight in the US & the newly launched O series version even rarer.
  • Posted 4 Jan 2015 04:08
  • By Forkingabout
  • joined 31 Mar'11 - 862 messages
  • england, United Kingdom
There are many BT's in North America now.

Guido, you can always try out other machines. Many manufacturer's will DEMO their trucks at no charge. You would need to give the demo trucks to your best employees, who will give an unbiased opinion on new their performance. Plants that converted from sit down counter-balanced trucks to stand-up 3 wheelers report less driver injuries and a higher comfort level to driver's. Specifically back and neck damage. Faster loading is another bonus. I'm not trying to promote one brand over the other, but you have some better choices out there to consider. If you're considering a large purchase, Any lift truck provider would be hungry to provide free demo's of their trucks. You can make a positive change to your operation without committing to huge truck purchases, before trying them out.
  • Posted 4 Jan 2015 00:30
  • Modified 4 Jan 2015 15:42 by poster
  • By EasiTek
  • joined 12 Aug'08 - 533 messages
  • Ontario, Canada
How about a BT Reflex RRE 160 - O series?

Reach truck designed for inside & outside use, the mast blocking your drivers visibility wont be a problem as you drive with forks trailing so the mast will be behind you.

Only issue being in the US it would make your Toyota dealer likely to scratch there head as they most likely wouldn't have ever seen one before.
  • Posted 3 Jan 2015 06:41
  • By Forkingabout
  • joined 31 Mar'11 - 862 messages
  • england, United Kingdom
It is indeed hard to give good advise when we do not know more about your usage and the other factors that are influencing your decisions. My immediate suggestions would be:
1/ Crown RT3500 (Only low lift sit-down rider that I know of, but I think it is only marketed in Europe?)
2/ Maxtruck.se - ugly looking beast, but no mast!
3/ Jungheinrich EFG D30 - with a rotating operator cabin. Not sure if they still market it, but if you offer to buy 100 perhaps they will??
4/ Have a mast supplier engineer a custom mast for you - can't be too difficult to replace the standard masts?
5/ Add laser scanners as used on AGV. Suppliers like Sick, Keyence, Omron and others have multi-segment scanners that can be set up to slow the truck down as something enters the scanned field in front of the truck. It is a pretty idiot-proof solution, but in reality you will likely then also need to limit the top speed of your trucks. If you are to be able to safely bring the truck to a stop within the scanned field, that field becomes unpractically large if you go 15 mph...
6/ Replace the forklifts and its operators with a fleet of AGV

Hope this gives a few ideas to explore..?
  • Posted 3 Jan 2015 03:28
  • By benny_f
  • joined 16 Nov'07 - 3 messages
  • Virginia, United States
Guido: These people who have responded to your post know what they are talking about. I have checked out their posts on a regular basis and they always make sense. I have over 140 units that here that we take care of. The company has strict rules on forklift,people movement through the plant. It is a high noise enviroment,and, knock on wood ,people just seem to look where they are going. We have the blue lights on all lifts that work inside the plant. They are on at all times,not just in reverse. We did some to see if they would work.They are great when a lift truck is backing out of a trailer. You have about 15 feet of warning space. Now they are on all units inside the plant. I also have to agree with what the techs are saying. You cannot hire an idiot cheap enough.
  • Posted 2 Jan 2015 23:26
  • By triumphrider
  • joined 31 Jan'11 - 304 messages
  • Texas, United States
If pedestrians are not in the path of a moving forklift they wont get hit,end of story....seperate pedestrian traffic and forklift traffic with signage and marking....anyone goes outside the markings and DOES hit someone fire them,someone steps into traffic and gets hit....fire them....simple as that....you dont walk down the middle of the street/freeway do you?....simple solution
  • Posted 2 Jan 2015 18:26
  • By kevin_t
  • joined 2 Dec'10 - 1,301 messages
  • Pennsylvania, United States
Good one Edward, transporter from the SS Enterprise is my favorite!..But If using existing technology, a big screen tV mounted over steering wheel, with camera's that hang on load. This way, the driver cant even see load or mast, just what's in front of him!....
But seriously, Open mast are great, til you put a load on!
Many warehouses are in the same boat. Usually,most places it's law, you must drive tractor first. Hard to do on a sit down counterbalance, as driver's twist their bodies. Most go with pacer or 3 wheel counter bal truck with side stance. The driver easily goes forward or reverse. They are much faster to get on and off as foot step is a few inches off the ground, there is no E-brake to fight with, no seat belt to buckle and no seat to jump up on and adjust. The floor on most new trucks is mounted on shocks so the ride is softer than than conventional sit down CB Trucks. There are less injuries with pacers and driver's have a clear view when driving tractor first. If you need, reach trucks have rear control handle so you can drive tractor first with your body facing rear ward. cant beat that! You face other direction to load, and your body is not twisted forward or reverse. The steering can easily be set to automotive or standard, whatever the driver's prefer. What your asking for cant work (mast view) since there will be a load on those forks....blocking your view...now you're back to square one....cant see pedestrians.
  • Posted 2 Jan 2015 14:30
  • Modified 2 Jan 2015 15:52 by poster
  • By EasiTek
  • joined 12 Aug'08 - 533 messages
  • Ontario, Canada
so, Guido, if you really want to "See the problem and all possible solutions" (to be able to rethink this concern) then, like they teach software designers, you get to start with a blank sheet and discuss ALL the possibilities, first by considering the actual goals (like when we travel, we start with a place we want to go {'the goal' let's use going to see Grand Mom as 'the goal' for the sake of discussion}, then consider how to get there), and then consider ALL the possibilities. I still think you will come to the recognition that you can not yet make 'the load' go away [teleportation will fix that, like in Star Trek], and that 'the load' will block vision as much or more than the mast would, even when there is no mast (a pallet jack, with NO mast still has a blind spot on the other side of the load from the pallet jack operator). One possibility is to move the goal of where you are going with 'the load' (have 'the goal' come to 'the load'. {like when going to 'see Grand Mom' as 'the goal' in our travel, we instead have Grand Mom come to our house}.
  • Posted 2 Jan 2015 01:56
  • By edward_t
  • joined 5 Mar'08 - 2,334 messages
  • South Carolina, United States
"it's not rocket surgery"
well guido,
it seems you have already made up your mind
so why come here and ask us for feedback and then throw it back in our faces?
it sounds like you already decided to get new masts and just want confirmation on your predetermined decision.
so go back to my first post.
if you want a short mast to help aid in your problem solving then order some and wait for them.
And in the meantime get your signage, floor markings and warning devices and all railings etc. in place and up to good working order. You'll have plenty of time to do that being it will take months to get all of your lift masts built and shipped and installed.
  • Posted 2 Jan 2015 01:28
  • By swoop223
  • joined 23 Mar'12 - 3,691 messages
  • North Carolina, United States
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