Just like I thought, you still are out there.

Forkingabout This might be the case with smaller trucks up to 5,000kg but over 5,000kg what you lose in productivity and the extra cost of not only Lithium iron powered truck but also the chargers and depending on the number of truck new cabling for the electric. The customers cost will have risen significantly

Plus, the batteries lose density every time you charge them so really its like getting a diesel forklift with a shrinking fuel tank.

How many of these customers in a couple of years' time will be saying they got ripped off by a smart talking sales rep, because their battery has only lasted them three years.


If Litium iron is so good why over 6 ton 97% of electric forklifts are sold with lead acid batteries and only one company i no of use lithium Iron at 16,000kg and that's Wiggins

Adblue is urea in solution with distilled water - not ammonia. Two completely different nitrogen based compounds. What are you smoking? Can I have some please?

No I don't use ad blue - my personal vehicle use is totally unsuitable for any diesel engine plus a modern petrol engine is plenty fuel efficient for me.

Customer I'm based at wont have diesel powered forklifts either plus they are replacing the LPG fuelled IC counter balance forklifts when they come to the end of there lease for lithium ion powered counter balances.

No Add Blue is ammonia


I follow some one on Linkedin called Gary here what he has to say about Construction equipment.

Zero emissions power, lightweight 3D printed hollow section components, rotary actuators, composite buckets - this tech is going to revolutionise CE


He 100% right and it will revolutionise the materials handling industry to.

Trying to compare adblue to anhydrous ammonia? Right...

Forkingabout do you use add blue

I saw ammonia mentioned & don't want to be anywhere near the thing.

wheres your new truck exalt?
you've been pretty quiet till now.

its fine you want to do research on other venues to gather opposition talking points to compare to your own product performance but we're still waiting to see yours hit the market.

With More and More companies now look at sustainability as one of the most important factors when look at new counter balance forklift. We decided to look at what is on offer @ 8,000kg 100% zero emission.

There are a number of both major and smaller forklift manufactures in this product market from Toyota, Linde, Hyster, Kalmar, Junghheinich who will also supply MCF, Carer, Montini just to name a few.

We have decided to look at a German Brewery distribution centre as a case study. For this the centre will work on a two shift system 06.00 - 14.00 & 14.00 - 22.00 The forklift operator gets his 8 ton electric lithium iron multi pallet handling forklift and starts work at around 06.15. The truck battery is fully charged at 120KWH he works till his first break at 08.15. The leaves his station at 08.05 placed his truck on charge and returns at 08.45 giving 15 minutes of charging with a 30KWH charger. This is 7.5 KHW hour of charge. The truck has used 40 kwh of electric this leaves 87.5 kwh of charge. He then works till 10.15 when he stops for dinner and returns back at 11.15 giving 30 minutes of charging this is 15KWH of charge. The truck has used 24 KWH of charge this leaves 75.5KWH he then works till his afternoon break at 12.15 he leaves his station at 12.05 and return at 12.40 till he finishes his shift at 13.40 he then puts the truck back on charge. The truck finishes with 67.5 KWH of charge at the end of the shift. Then the second operator starts his shift for the same to happen again. The truck finishes the day with 15 KWH allowing 4 hour to fully charge the battery again. The lithium iron truck has been able to do a double shift but has lost a least 60 minutes of productivity.


Now the same with a lead acid battery truck the operator does the same shift but instead of leaving 10 minutes early he goes at his beak time the battery last 6 hours before it needs changing so at his last break, he stops at 11.45 to change his battery. With this system two batteries are needed as the overnight time and early morning start time are time enough for the battery to cool.

So with either Lithium iron or lead acid batteries you can do a double shift system the lithium iron truck battery would probably last only two - three years with this charging rate, and the lead acid battery will need charging area and maintenance.

swoop....I know, that was the point.

ehhh....
ChrisK....

those videos are 1 and 2 yrs old and not much proof of anything substantial that we didn't already know. {wink}{wink}

cgi and still pictures of a couple of lifts?
Be nice to see a real current video of the actual lifts in action, not some cgi rendition of a dream.
{cough}{cough}
;o)
we still wait for a better product introduction like most mfg's do when they introduce new machines into the market ;o)

OK haters! Here is your "proof"? Enjoy.

YouTube Exalt Forklift and sit back and enjoy.

Either exalt is a partner in this forum or he ought to be paid dividends. Nobody drives repeat views to this site like him. I love this show. It brightens up a monotonous day.

@StrangerTrucks
A fellow from the state that looks looks a hand shouldn't have to ask that question (unless you weren't around then)
In1973 Stevie Wonder had a song on his
Innervisions" album
Here is the first Verse that should lead you to the answer you are seeking -

[Verse 1]
"People hand in hand
Have I lived to see the milk and honey land?
Where hate's a dream and love forever stands
Or is this a vision in my mind?"

Xalt where is this Forklift Truck?

Exalt your math is a little off on the BYD post above. The LPG truck will use around 2.5kg per hour (assuming 2.5ton truck) but the cost is £0.50 (generally its more than this) for a litre, which needs multiplied by 1.98 to get 1 kg. So the running cost for a 2.5 ton LPG truck is typically around £2.50-£3.00 per hour.

The new Exalt V Zero Emission ammonia hybrid forklift will use a seven modular prince able to produce a revolutionary fully modular forklift that is 100% zero emission. The 10,000 kg forklift will be one of the lightest trucks on the market weighing only 13,360kg this would allow the 70kw engine and 30kwh battery pack to be one of the most fuel-efficient combinations in this class using only 4kg of ammonia per hour.

With load centers of 610mm a length with out forks of only 4,200mm a width of 2,450mm and a turning radius of only 3,940mm the truck will be one of the most drivable trucks on the market. The truck will also be one of the most productive 100% zero emission in the market with a refuel time of around 5 min and a range of 20 hours. It would be capable of lifting at 0.56 M/S and lowering at 0.5 M/S with a travel speed of 30 km/h the new truck will offer similar productivity levels as a diesel powered forklift with out the emissions

the running cost per hour for a 16 ton 600mm L/C truck per hour based on $,
an diesel truck would cost $12.6 per hour to run, an electric truck would cost $ 4.8 per hour to run , an Ammonia truck would cost $4.00 per hour to run , an hydrogen truck would cost $13.6 per hour to run. The electric truck uses lead acid batteries and have a range of only around 4.5 - 5 hours before battery needs changing and there performance is around 60% lower than a diesel truck. Both the Hydrogen and Ammonia Trucks would be 100% zero emission and have the same performance as diesel

Forget all of that, we are only 12 days away from April and the release of Exhault's "Super Truck" I for one, am starting to sweat it.

@Yidneck
That saying (prayer) has been around for a long time, long time and can be applied to just about any position or situation you want to make it fit. Plus, it is not gender specific.
Touche'