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i wonder what happened to the future of forklift discussion

I wonder why the future of forklift discussion has diapered,
may be it was because manufactures don't like to here what is true and Lithium iron batteries do catch fire
  • Posted 27 Sep 2018 22:27
  • By exalt
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  • Dubai, United Arab Emirates
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And the fuel is?
  • Posted 24 Oct 2018 21:29
  • By triumphrider
  • joined 31 Jan'11 - 304 messages
  • Texas, United States
OK what i will say is its now possible to run a IC engine at 100%ZERO EMISSION, its been shown and tested to be done. We will run this in a hybrid situation with a Nickel Zinc battery pack so there will be no problems of battery overheating.

As the engine runs at below 1,500 rpm its at it most efficient, like a hydrostatic truck
  • Posted 23 Oct 2018 16:41
  • By exalt
  • joined 30 Sep'14 - 433 messages
  • Dubai, United Arab Emirates
OK, once again you are dodging the straight up Question. What is this SUPERFUEL. The only fuel that I can think of would be benzene. used as fuel in early race engines and WW1 aircraft. Known super cancer causing chemical. Or how about hydrazine? All I can say is there is no ZERO EMISSIONS. Even the operator emits CO2. You can defend yourself on this forum as much as you want , you will not be believed until this industry changing equipment is produced for all the world to see.
  • Posted 22 Oct 2018 21:31
  • By triumphrider
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  • Texas, United States
see Rolls-Royce are working on that idea
  • Posted 22 Oct 2018 16:19
  • By exalt
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  • Dubai, United Arab Emirates
It must cow flatuance Remember The state of California is trying to regulate and tax the emissions form the cattle industry. Correct me if I am wrong but according to my fact and figures you are going to need at least 2000 to 2500 cows to produce enough fuel to run a unit per shift times 3 shifts. And again multiply times the number of units you are operating. I know I run some cattle and it looks like you really need to get into the cattle industry. It has its ups and downs but I still make some money on it.
  • Posted 19 Oct 2018 21:31
  • By triumphrider
  • joined 31 Jan'11 - 304 messages
  • Texas, United States
OK its a saying people say well to wheel when its 100% zero emission and no carbon, just something i have picked up. It doesn't mean a well or hole
  • Posted 19 Oct 2018 17:14
  • By exalt
  • joined 30 Sep'14 - 433 messages
  • Dubai, United Arab Emirates
To answer that question, I will use YOUR own words....... "....WELL to wheel 100% zero emission"

Webster's defines a WELL as: "a shaft or hole sunk to obtain oil, brine, or gas"

Now, maybe you have magic WELL, that is not a hole in the ground?
  • Posted 19 Oct 2018 04:45
  • Modified 19 Oct 2018 04:45 by poster
  • By ChrisK
  • joined 28 Feb'14 - 142 messages
  • Kansas, United States
who said it s was pumped out of the ground, or transported to a refinery. IF you do a little bit of research, you will know what i'm talking about. If its produce with renewable energy, its 100% Zero emission
  • Posted 19 Oct 2018 04:10
  • By exalt
  • joined 30 Sep'14 - 433 messages
  • Dubai, United Arab Emirates
Magic fuel....It's not a fossil fuel, but it is pumped out of the ground, a process that creates ZERO emissions. Transported to the refinery and refined with a process that produces ZERO emissions. It is then transferred to a port where it is shipped all over the world, producing ZERO emissions. Then finally delivered to the end user, in a truck that is also burning the magic fuel, producing ZERO emissions. And then burned in the lift while also producing ZERO emissions. It's so great, and so well known to the automotive industry they chose not to use it.

Anybody want to buy a bridge?
  • Posted 19 Oct 2018 03:58
  • By ChrisK
  • joined 28 Feb'14 - 142 messages
  • Kansas, United States
wood gasification
  • Posted 19 Oct 2018 03:20
  • By bobcat
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  • New Hampshire, United States
ChrisK OK fair enough i will says its a bit of crossed wires on my part but just one question if wasn't OME's that had it removed why was it removed

Triumphrider In answer to your question Yes its used in every day industry and every port or terminal will ship this fuel.
  • Posted 19 Oct 2018 02:34
  • Modified 19 Oct 2018 02:37 by poster
  • By exalt
  • joined 30 Sep'14 - 433 messages
  • Dubai, United Arab Emirates
When did I ever tell you there wasn't a deleted post? I told you it wasn't deleted because the OEM's fear your ground breaking super truck.
  • Posted 18 Oct 2018 22:41
  • By ChrisK
  • joined 28 Feb'14 - 142 messages
  • Kansas, United States
ok lets hear it. what type of fuel are you talking about. Do you have the supply chain to end users for this super fuel?
  • Posted 18 Oct 2018 21:17
  • By triumphrider
  • joined 31 Jan'11 - 304 messages
  • Texas, United States
well that depends the fuel we will use will be 100% zero emission on how it is produced, and if the truck delivering it ran on the same fuel it would be the same so yes it would be what we call well to wheel 100% zero emission

ChrisK you have said, In your conveniently deleted post I stated the only way you can do it is with after treatment. does this mean you agree there was a deleted post
  • Posted 18 Oct 2018 05:00
  • Modified 18 Oct 2018 16:22 by poster
  • By exalt
  • joined 30 Sep'14 - 433 messages
  • Dubai, United Arab Emirates
You can't take into account the fuel used to produce electricity to charge a battery as a way to claim it as not 100% emission free. If you did, then you are not 100% emission free as the fuel you use has to be processed, in a facility that is using electricity. Then it would have to be transferred by some means , and ultimately delivered in a truck burning fossil fuels. Thus, by your reasoning it makes your system not 100% zero emission either.
  • Posted 18 Oct 2018 04:56
  • By ChrisK
  • joined 28 Feb'14 - 142 messages
  • Kansas, United States
ChrisK

well it would depend on what equipment you are using this system would fit quite well into a standard 3 ton forklift, as for cost like i have said before if your were to say a 3 ton Diesel would cost $25,000 , 3 ton lithium iron $38,000 and a 3 ton Hydrogen $53,000 a 3 ton forklift with this system would be around $34,000 lower than both other alternatives for zero emission. and like i have said if you take into account the fossil fuel emissions to produce the electric then a lithium iron forklift is not 100% zero emission.

Now we are working on the larger forklift were the price comparison is larger and the performance level of an electric forklift is much lower than a diesel, Our system has the same level or better performance as a diesel truck. but we will be lower priced than the electric alternative
  • Posted 18 Oct 2018 04:11
  • Modified 18 Oct 2018 04:12 by poster
  • By exalt
  • joined 30 Sep'14 - 433 messages
  • Dubai, United Arab Emirates
ChrisK

well it would depend on what equipment you are using this system would fit quite well into a standard 3 ton forklift, as for cost like i have said before if your were to say a 3 ton Diesel would cost $25,000 , 3 ton lithium iron $38,000 and a 3 ton Hydrogen $53,000 a 3 ton forklift with this system would be around $34,000 lower than both other alternatives for zero emission. and like i have said if you take into account the fossil fuel emissions to produce the electric then a lithium iron forklift is not 100% zero emission.

Now we are working on the larger scale forklift were the price comparison is larger and the performance level of an electric forklift is much lower than a diesel, Our system has the same level or better performance as a diesel truck. but we will be lower priced than the electric alternative
  • Posted 18 Oct 2018 04:11
  • By exalt
  • joined 30 Sep'14 - 433 messages
  • Dubai, United Arab Emirates
In your conveniently deleted post I stated the only way you can do it is with after treatment. Exactly as swoop said, you aren't using (or doing) anything new. You will find out, the reason it's not done in mass is because it is expensive, and takes up quite a bit of space to put that much equipment on a lift.
  • Posted 18 Oct 2018 03:26
  • By ChrisK
  • joined 28 Feb'14 - 142 messages
  • Kansas, United States
Basically yes you are write, its just the fuel we will use has a lower nox emission than both Diesel and LPG or CNG and by adding a bit of after treatment we can make them 100% zero emission.

This could work on any IC engine and has been shown to work many times over.

Now im sure some one is going to knock this and look that's fine because thats what makes these discussion interesting and not boring
  • Posted 18 Oct 2018 01:37
  • By exalt
  • joined 30 Sep'14 - 433 messages
  • Dubai, United Arab Emirates
ok so your using a catalyst system that is already on the market.
that's nothing new
diesel and some other gas/lpg engines have been using this tech for years now
so with that being said i will assume you've taken this type system and tweaked it to suit your need and added an extra process to get that zero emission.
may i assume it's similar to the diesel exhaust fluid system and particulate filter system being used today? that you guys have figured out a way to make it more efficient?

ok fair enough :o)
  • Posted 17 Oct 2018 23:14
  • By swoop223
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  • North Carolina, United States
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