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Cat M30D Slow traction

Hi everyone Can someone shed some light on an issue which i am having with a cat m30D electric forklift.

The display itself is playing up not all segments light correctly. The truck drives very slow, but that itself is not the issue.

If i start the truck up the hydraulics/steering etc works fine no problem, as soon as i drive the truck a slight bit the hydraulics stop working will not energise hyd contactor. If i start the truck up and drive it first, then hydraulics do not work.

So far i have found pins pushed back on the logic card connectors, which i have replaced, dismantled the foot controller and cleaned the opto sensors inside. Going to try another foot controller tommorrow, but not sure that would have any connection to the hydraulics cutting out.

Battery itself is ok, and have also jumped off another truck battery, no earth faults to motor and the motor shunt fields seem ok.

The strange thing is that sometimes after playing about with the truck it worked and when it worked the truck speed was fine and the hydraulics worked without being locked out. Then after a few minutes back to square one again.

Any ideas?
  • Posted 20 Jul 2010 03:10
  • By elektrodrive
  • joined 2 May'08 - 739 messages
  • West Midlands, United Kingdom
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  • Posted 23 Jul 2010 09:31
  • By steponmebbbboom
  • joined 21 Nov'05 - 189 messages
  • Ontario, Canada
Hi everyone

Just an update. Checked all issues including another foot controller and all wires back from front to rear to panel all shows ok.

I Have found by fluke, i have to admit there seems to be a problem with the head capacitor usually the terminal goes loose on them and you can see the problem, on this one one of the terminals in internally loose and when i push the cable to it you can see sparks coming from inside the terminal point.

Capacitor has been ordered, if it solves the issue will post next week with an update.

Thanks for all the assistance.
  • Posted 23 Jul 2010 05:45
  • By elektrodrive
  • joined 2 May'08 - 739 messages
  • West Midlands, United Kingdom
Hi Martins

Thanks of the advice. it does appear to be somehow connected to the battery issue, yet it does the same when jumped off another truck with another battery. The fact that it has actually worked twice when working on it and intermittantly flashes/scrolls through the display indicating battery error makes me think its the logic bdi settings which may be out of adjustment or faulty at that, lets see if the customer gets logic tested and what they come back with. Will let you know what it was once sorted :)
  • Posted 21 Jul 2010 18:08
  • By elektrodrive
  • joined 2 May'08 - 739 messages
  • West Midlands, United Kingdom
good work
friend, yesterday I had a similar case, the problem existed in an element of the battery that was null. how to do a test (to measure voltage on each element making the engine act hid. or traction, this with a little braking and measuring 1 by 1 and go against what is left with no load or short, also with a tip tester sets the + or - I will follow with another until you find what is breaking voltage. we'll find the damaged delete it and care for jumper until replacement. element to the client machine does not run out. sorry for something.
  • Posted 21 Jul 2010 09:11
  • By AMartins
  • joined 8 May'10 - 107 messages
  • vila nova de gaia, Portugal
Hi Ed

Got this from the plate under serial 1KJ03000. Will check under the stall method next time under tilt stall it dropped from 47 to around 43 to 44 volts. if i operate the park brake switch it actually cuts out all traction, when i release the park brake i get drive but slow.

Checked all cables and heatsinks for earth problems, all insulations ok, have not had the battery out to check under the battery, may be the next option.

I tried the onboard diognostic, however after cycling the direction switch to forward the display changes to 3 but when i cycle to reverse nothing happens and then after a while starts flashing 7, which from what i understand should happen when operating lift levers, so i could not get any further with the diognostic procedures.

The seat seems to be doing its job as as soon as i sit on the seat the line contactor comes in and when i get off it after a few seconds line drops out. And in dignostic mode seat shows ok.

Does the same with the truck off the ground. It all does seem battery related as sometimes the display runs up and down indicating a low battery problem, so it could be the bdi setting in the logic card not set correctly? Hence all the problems possibly, have advised customer to get logic sent away for testing.
  • Posted 20 Jul 2010 22:15
  • By elektrodrive
  • joined 2 May'08 - 739 messages
  • West Midlands, United Kingdom
Serial number?
Under hydraulic stall (lift to top and hold, not tilt on this machine, as it may have chopper controlled hydraulics), what is the battery voltage? at rest, what is the battery voltage?
Can you confirm the park brake switch is in the correct position and connection state when the problem happens. the park brake on some of these has the function of cutting out considerable torque (but not RPM) to the drive motor (NOT cut out the drive, just no real torque to speak of).
have you checked for good (clean) no shorts to frame from -all- the power cables (not just the ones to the motor, but a check of all heat sinks and transistors/recs insulation)? Have you cleaned all the crud from the cables that run under the battery and replaced any cable that was cracked or swollen?
The foot control should have no effect whatever to the hydraulics cutting out, other than they both draw from the same battery.
have you gone through the "onboard diagnostics" with the "drs" switch to check the accel box and other inputs and outputs?
Consider a real good look at the seat switch linkage too, since an open seat switch may stop everything until it gets a good "SRO" (static return to off)
one more thing, let me get this straight, you are saying that after travel (is it the same if the drive wheels are off the ground? = less amps in the traction circuit.) there is no more hydraulic function, as if it went into lift lockout, is that correct?
  • Posted 20 Jul 2010 07:08
  • Modified 20 Jul 2010 11:10 by poster
  • By edward_t
  • joined 5 Mar'08 - 2,334 messages
  • South Carolina, United States
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