Discussion:
the End of Materials Handling as it is known today

The Materials Handling market is about to change. With only around six or seven of the world's manufactures serving. With in the next 10 years most warehouse will be completely different Companies like KION of China DAMATIC or TOYOTA of Japan VANDERLANDE will dominate the warehouse business with hole turnkey products. Pallet trucks, reach trucks VNA truck will all be replaced with automated equipment.

Counter balance forklift sales will also decline and be replaced with complete handling systems that will be able to move products around a facility with out the need of an operator. Out side the facility there will also be big changes Both Diesel and electric forklifts will be replaced with 100% zero emission products that will have much longer ranges then electric forklifts and will be able to handle loads up to 72,000kg while being 100% zero emission. Companies Like Hyster who have backed Hydrogen to the tune of up to $260 million investment will see this disappear as hydrogen forklifts wont be able to compete with the new technologies that will offer lower cost's ,no need for high pressure systems ,be less explosive and more cost effective than hydrogen.
  • Posted 22 Feb 2020 07:11
  • Discussion started by Exalteze
  • Halifax, United Kingdom
Exalt leading the way to a zero emission future
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Clearly the German Army is a giant failure too. They have no idea the Diesel Powered Hyster Reach Stackers they just purchased will be obsolete by the end of this quarter.
  • Posted 15 Oct 2020 23:07
  • Reply by ChrisK
  • Kansas, United States
For sure. My comment was made with tongue planted firmly in cheek as they say because I have been reading the original post and subsequent comments with more than a pinch of salt added.
All these "has-been" companies spending money on out-dated technology...what is the world coming to???
  • Posted 15 Oct 2020 18:21
  • Reply by Tat2dPete
  • Strathclyde, United Kingdom
Pete
Clearly Linde has no idea what they are doing. Linde will probably end up a "has-been" just like Hyster will become.
  • Posted 15 Oct 2020 06:55
  • Reply by ChrisK
  • Kansas, United States
Tat2dPete,
you have to take this guy with a grain of salt
if you read his posts you'll quickly understand why

As for hydrogen, the fuel cells have come a long way but they are still rather expensive to use and maintain which is why you only see them being used in large fleets and not so much elsewhere. Still too expensive for the little guys ;o)
  • Posted 15 Oct 2020 06:53
  • Reply by swoop223
  • North Carolina, United States
You've been swooped!
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So Linde have just showcased their first Hydrogen powered forklift fleet in Lucerne.
And I thought hydrogen was a lost cause according to the original thread of this post??
  • Posted 15 Oct 2020 01:01
  • Reply by Tat2dPete
  • Strathclyde, United Kingdom
Pete
Like LPG there are federal, state, county & local state regulations that govern compliance. Would thing ammonia would have similar regulations and be certain one size will not fit all. Ammonia being combustible and also corrosive would have it's own set of regulations.
  • Posted 8 Oct 2020 05:21
  • Reply by johnr_j
  • Georgia, United States
"Have An Exceptional Day!"
what the pipe line means there would be plenty of ammonia for refueling, we have depending on the amount of units on site two way of refueling, one like LPG is a on site stroage system the second is our own refueling system that is mobile and can visit customers.


When a customer rents a truck from us everything is included in the rental this includes the fuel
  • Posted 8 Oct 2020 04:19
  • Reply by Exalteze
  • Halifax, United Kingdom
Exalt leading the way to a zero emission future
@exhalteze
Don't think you can "tap" into that 2000 mile of pipe line and refuel a forklift. That pipe line is used to move items such as crude oil, natural gas, diesel fuel, ethane etc. to a refinery/distribution point some where. The end user of this "phantom" forklift" will need to have on site means to refuel their unit(s) before than can use it like they do for diesel fuel, LPG or CNG, etc. Certainly all 500 of these 16T units won't be used in the same "neighborhood".

FYI the driving distance from Seattle, Washington is 3296 miles or by 2723 miles via airplane.
  • Posted 8 Oct 2020 03:55
  • Reply by johnr_j
  • Georgia, United States
"Have An Exceptional Day!"
Name the company that owns the Ammonia pipeline that spans from Washington to Florida, we will wait.


How many units have you sold? Talking about technology, you have still not proven that your "idea" will sell. That is only proven by actual sales, not BS you type on a forum.
  • Posted 7 Oct 2020 23:48
  • Reply by ChrisK
  • Kansas, United States
There is over 2,000 mile of pipeline in North America from Florida to Washington state so refueling the trucks won't be a problem. An Electrolyser that can produce 8 ton of hydrogen per day costs $6 Million each now customers might not need an 8 ton electrolyser but even one of the smallest costs around $2,5 Million. Then you have the pump to refuel the truck, i would geuse you don't even know were to purchase one of these nevermind the price of one.


California is the leading place in the world for hydrogen refueling stations and the cost of hydrogen at one of these stations is $13 per kg ,


Due you know even how much a fuel cell forklift cost, due you know how much just the fuel cell cost, what about the hydrogen tanks. A standard fuel cell at 50kwh would need 38 platinum plates, then you ned high presure storage tanks at between 300bar and 700 bar.



The only reason Walmart bought hydrogen equipment was because the Obama government made they cost effective with grants.

You all have just shown you don't have clues about any technologies in the market


If its was so easy and low cost to set up an hydrogen station then why aren't they all over the world. Reason its not
  • Posted 7 Oct 2020 23:40
  • Modified 7 Oct 2020 23:45 by poster
  • Reply by Exalteze
  • Halifax, United Kingdom
Exalt leading the way to a zero emission future
$6.5 Million for the refueling station. That's definitely a number you pulled out of your rear end.

The National Energy Research Lab published a report that fuel cells in intensive warehouse use could reduce the cost of ownership by up to 10% per year. They also stated TOTAL initial investment would be about $2.5 millions for a large distribution warehouse operating multiple shifts.

Several large companies have heavily invested in fuel cell technology, include the hundreds that Walmart alone has purchased.

You can get over your guess that we all are spies for Hyster / Yale. IF they even know you and your super truck exists, they won't be worried about it.
  • Posted 7 Oct 2020 23:24
  • Reply by ChrisK
  • Kansas, United States
Bull S--T!
  • Posted 7 Oct 2020 20:55
  • Reply by triumphrider
  • Texas, United States
How many filling/storage stations are there for ammonia in North America to service those 500 "rental"units you plan to ship here over the next 3 years.? There no doubt is a cost associated with them to be safety compliant.
  • Posted 7 Oct 2020 20:42
  • Reply by johnr_j
  • Georgia, United States
"Have An Exceptional Day!"
we are a privet company so we don't list, What ever reason you seem to support Hyster Yale but you just don't want to say it, Like i have said and it seems other people have agreed that Hydrogen Fuel cell won't work because of cost. The cost of a hydrogen fuel sell truck would be around double of a IC truck. Then you need at least $2.5 million for just one refueling pump, then you need at least $3.5Million for the electrolyser, then you need the hydrogen storage tanks. so you would be looking at a minimum 0f $6.5 Million just to get the refueling system done. Then you have the cost of producing the hydrogen on top. then if the machines are working out side you would need to change the plates in the stack around every two years and they are not cheap

If you believe people way pay that amount of money then thats your opinion but personally i don't beleive they will be. esspecially when there are better more affordable solutions coming out.
  • Posted 7 Oct 2020 17:58
  • Reply by Exalteze
  • Halifax, United Kingdom
Exalt leading the way to a zero emission future
Ok you have investors, What stock exchange are you listed on and what are you listed as? And once again how are the inverters for the drive motors in a tight turn controlled. You are still off on the price of the LI battery. By the way a certain company has tested a hydrogen fuel cell/ LI battery pack The fuel cell is under a constant small load instead of full on/ full off mode of operation keeping the li fully charged. Acts like a accumulator in a hydraulic system.
  • Posted 6 Oct 2020 21:07
  • Reply by triumphrider
  • Texas, United States

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