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the End of Materials Handling as it is known today

The Materials Handling market is about to change. With only around six or seven of the world's manufactures serving. With in the next 10 years most warehouse will be completely different Companies like KION of China DAMATIC or TOYOTA of Japan VANDERLANDE will dominate the warehouse business with hole turnkey products. Pallet trucks, reach trucks VNA truck will all be replaced with automated equipment.

Counter balance forklift sales will also decline and be replaced with complete handling systems that will be able to move products around a facility with out the need of an operator. Out side the facility there will also be big changes Both Diesel and electric forklifts will be replaced with 100% zero emission products that will have much longer ranges then electric forklifts and will be able to handle loads up to 72,000kg while being 100% zero emission. Companies Like Hyster who have backed Hydrogen to the tune of up to $260 million investment will see this disappear as hydrogen forklifts wont be able to compete with the new technologies that will offer lower cost's ,no need for high pressure systems ,be less explosive and more cost effective than hydrogen.
  • Posted 22 Feb 2020 07:11
  • By Exalteze
  • joined 7 Feb'20 - 89 messages
  • Halifax, United Kingdom
Exalt leading the way to a zero emission future
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Agree with you totally sport 05
  • Posted 5 Feb 2021 22:12
  • By triumphrider
  • joined 31 Jan'11 - 304 messages
  • Texas, United States
It's so great to see that there are still quite a few of us that started as youngsters in the industry! I started selling for Clark in 1974 and have worked in sales and sales management at the dealer level and also worked for OEM's at a mid and senior management levels. I am still working! I remember many years ago when I was a "newbie" salesman, attending my first national sales meeting, one of the top Clark National Account Salesman told me "kid (yes he did call me kid!) you are going to find that you either love this business or hate it. If you love it you will see a lot of interesting things and learn how quite a few things are made. You will also meet a lot of nice and some not so nice people and you will make a decent living." He continued "if you hate it don't kid yourself, get the **** out"! He was right! I guess I loved it as I'm still working in the industry or maybe I'm just a ****!
  • Posted 4 Feb 2021 23:51
  • Modified 5 Feb 2021 23:37 by poster
  • By sport05
  • joined 13 Jan'06 - 34 messages
  • United States
Sport05
Dang, I feel so outclassed with only 22 years in the industry.
  • Posted 28 Jan 2021 23:58
  • By ChrisK
  • joined 28 Feb'14 - 142 messages
  • Kansas, United States
Hi, The range is MiMA Forktrucks.We have literature on rack model in their range. We are Wilmat Ltd and manufactured customised trucks to solve handling problems. We manufacture press tool loading trucks up to 15 tons caps but the MiMA range we can offer up to 30tons capacity Wilmat have never produced a reach truck so we can now offer a range lifting to 11 metres.
Please look at Wilmat and MiMA websites.
  • Posted 22 Jan 2021 02:09
  • By roger_w
  • joined 14 Mar'09 - 12 messages
  • West Midlands, United Kingdom
lifter1937
great to hear someone contributing to the material handling business and sticking with it as long as you.
curious, what brand is your newly china built machine?
do you have any literature introducing it into the market?
tradeshow material?
  • Posted 22 Jan 2021 01:06
  • By swoop223
  • joined 23 Mar'12 - 3,692 messages
  • North Carolina, United States
You've been swooped!
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Interesting. I started as a Rep in the industry in1959. I sold a wide range of equipment but it included probably some of the first TCM trucks into the UK. I started in business entirely on my own in 1966 selling a range of equipment which I manufactured plus a few Balcancars. I am still working and we are at present introducing a range of quality electric trucks from China (MiMA) in addition to the range of trucks that we manufacture in the UK. So 61 years and still love it. I like to play as well!
  • Posted 22 Jan 2021 00:06
  • By roger_w
  • joined 14 Mar'09 - 12 messages
  • West Midlands, United Kingdom
lifter1937
For what it is worth - started in '67 right out of college w/ A-C, hung up my "lift truck" spurs in 2007. Enjoyed my journey of 41 years.
Here is a heads up for your futures "Old age ain't for sissies." but you will join a new social network community when you go stand in line at your local pharmacy.
Ciao! & Pura Vida! (life is good if you are in Costa Rica)
  • Posted 21 Jan 2021 11:23
  • By johnr_j
  • joined 3 Jun'06 - 1,446 messages
  • Georgia, United States
"Have An Exceptional Day!"
i started back in '77 so whats that? 44?
but whos counting... i quit counting them up a while ago.
Now i'm counting down to retirement ;o)
Not sure when that's gonna be now considering :o/
  • Posted 21 Jan 2021 09:25
  • By swoop223
  • joined 23 Mar'12 - 3,692 messages
  • North Carolina, United States
You've been swooped!
swoop223@gmail.com
I beat you by 3 years mate
  • Posted 21 Jan 2021 08:48
  • By lifter01
  • joined 4 Jul'09 - 463 messages
  • West Yorkshire, United Kingdom
OK , i lied But i do own a hat and a few cows, and this my 36 year in the industry.
  • Posted 20 Jan 2021 22:14
  • By triumphrider
  • joined 31 Jan'11 - 304 messages
  • Texas, United States
As a proud owner of a hat and a few cows I gave serious thought to coming up with a lift powered by cow F-ar-s. Seems like in california the state wants to regulate the naturally produced natural gas so i thought put gas collection packs on the cows, have the farmers pay for it and make my investors very happy. But after spending my investors money on research , i concluded the carbon dioxide produced by the cows does not offset the natural gas produced to provide zero emissions needed to make my claim viable. Btw Jan 4th marked my 36th year in the industry. The lift truck industry not the cow F-ar-s industry
  • Posted 20 Jan 2021 22:10
  • By triumphrider
  • joined 31 Jan'11 - 304 messages
  • Texas, United States
Guess the saga of an zero emission, ammonia eating world beating forklift & it's promoter/inventor backed by wealthy investors went the way of Aesop and his Aesop Fables and Grimms' Fairy Tales by Aesop. In short "all talk no stalk" or as they say in Texas "All Hat and No Cattle"
Check out this link - fairytalez (dot) com
  • Posted 19 Jan 2021 05:11
  • Modified 19 Jan 2021 05:41 by poster
  • By johnr_j
  • joined 3 Jun'06 - 1,446 messages
  • Georgia, United States
"Have An Exceptional Day!"
Well Q4 2020 came and went and still no truck or even an announcement??
  • Posted 18 Jan 2021 21:37
  • By mrLifter
  • joined 9 May'10 - 53 messages
  • Buckinghamshire, United Kingdom
Think Dave's realised that nobody believes a word he says anymore?? Not that most of us did anyway??
  • Posted 8 Jan 2021 07:14
  • By lifter01
  • joined 4 Jul'09 - 463 messages
  • West Yorkshire, United Kingdom
Give him a break, it's only been just over 10 years since he first started making claims about his wonder truck, you can't rush these things you know!!
  • Posted 3 Jan 2021 04:23
  • By mrLifter
  • joined 9 May'10 - 53 messages
  • Buckinghamshire, United Kingdom
Well Dave Q4 2020 has been and gone but then Q2 2019 (your other reveal date) came and went too. Will you finally admit that this project exists only in your head Dave??
  • Posted 2 Jan 2021 20:28
  • By lifter01
  • joined 4 Jul'09 - 463 messages
  • West Yorkshire, United Kingdom
Merry Christmas to you partsguy5 I'm just keeping this going to see if Dave might accidently give a straight answer lol. I might call round to his house to see if he will give a straight answer face to face lol
  • Posted 11 Dec 2020 21:52
  • By lifter01
  • joined 4 Jul'09 - 463 messages
  • West Yorkshire, United Kingdom
Once again Dave no answer to my question where is your truck?? Its nearly the end of q4 2020
  • Posted 11 Dec 2020 21:49
  • By lifter01
  • joined 4 Jul'09 - 463 messages
  • West Yorkshire, United Kingdom
You have answered your own question, to move hydrogen efficiently ether being Blue or green hydrogen they convert it in to ammonia then ship it. Now some people will turn this ammonia back into hydrogen and some won't.

What you will find in the future is it is more cost effective just to use the ammonia not the hydrogen.


It will all come down to one point quite simply cost the lower the cost the better. Now for the materials handling industry ammonia will offer the lowest cost with the best productivity, this has been our point
  • Posted 11 Dec 2020 20:17
  • By Letaq60n
  • joined 29 Nov'20 - 82 messages
  • W. Yorkshire, United Kingdom
Not an opinion, just what NEOM have on their website.
The world's first shipment of blue ammonia is on its way from Saudi Arabia to Japan, where it will be used in power stations to produce electricity without carbon emissions.

Saudi Aramco, which made the announcement Sunday, produced the fuel by converting hydrocarbons into hydrogen and then ammonia, and capturing the carbon dioxide byproduct. Japan will receive 40 tons of blue ammonia in the first shipment, Aramco said.

Ammonia can be burned in thermal power stations without releasing carbon emissions. That means it has "the potential to make a significant contribution to an affordable and reliable low-carbon energy future," according to state-controlled Aramco.

Japan aims to be a world-leader in the use of hydrogen, which is contained in ammonia. The country has committed to reducing its greenhouse gas emissions 26 percent by 2030 from 2013 levels, under the Paris climate pact.

Blue ammonia is a feedstock for blue hydrogen, a version of the fuel made from fossil fuels with a process that captures and stores carbon dioxide emissions. Hydrogen from renewable energy that creates no emissions is known as green hydrogen.

Saudi Arabia, the world's biggest oil exporter, is increasingly trying to counter its reputation for producing dirty energy. In recent months, Aramco has highlighted the low volume of greenhouse gases emitted from pumping Saudi crude, programs to boost gas production and plans to grow carbon-absorbing mangroves.

U.S. firm Air Products & Chemicals Inc. signed an accord in July with Saudi-based ACWA Power International and the kingdom's planned futuristic city of Neom to develop a $5 billion hydrogen-based ammonia plant powered by renewable energy.

Saudi chemicals maker Sabic - majority-owned by Aramco - and Mitsubishi Corp. are overseeing transport logistics for the blue ammonia project in partnership with JGC Corp., Mitsubishi Heavy Industries Engineering, Mitsubishi Shipbuilding Co. and UBE Industries.

"This world-first demonstration represents an exciting opportunity for Aramco to showcase the potential of hydrocarbons as a reliable and affordable source of low-carbon hydrogen and ammonia," said Aramco's chief technology officer, Ahmad Al-Khowaiter.
  • Posted 11 Dec 2020 19:24
  • Modified 11 Dec 2020 19:33 by poster
  • By Tat2dPete
  • joined 29 Sep'20 - 41 messages
  • Strathclyde, United Kingdom
Pete

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