Yer but this is a company still turning a profit, ok it's a little short of the target profit but a profits a profit. And not all the big players are making a profit in the service and sales side. Toyota and lindi's for example are making profit but the bulk comes from manufacturing. Briggs a not bad company to work for, yes they have 5 people making the same decision and they often forget the business excises 10 mile out side of Cannock, but I'd go back tomorrow the grass is not always greener and all that.