Toyotaman, that was actually just a little joke from me to see what kind of response I would get from it. Let me explain exactly how I feel about Toyota. They make a quality product, but there business ethics are suspect. The dealers I know, 3 different ones, lie, cheat and steal to sell forklifts. Probably because they have to because the factory is always hounding them to sell more product. I have seen Toyota come in and take big accounts with their low lease rates and subsidized financing only to lose the account again in five years because they rip off the customer during the lease period to make the money back they lost on the sale. Not a good way to do business. I never bad mouthed competitors when I was out selling, I sold on merit. You can't win every sale so losing a sale never bothered me. As far as Toyota selling more forklifts than anyone else, they do, because of their national account program. Toyota gives forklifts away to snag up national accounts so they have a guaranteed number of forklifts every year that will be purchased from them. They take this lost money that they lose on national accounts and add it back into the selling price of their forklifts for the customers who are not national accounts. So, smaller accounts may be paying upwards of $5,000 extra to finance the Toyota national account program. Sort of a crap on the little guy to help out the giants. Not a very good philosophy, but Toyota's number one!