Always good to have a chat round the coffee machine, but the danger is that any salesman listening will start to believe engineer / tech banter, magnify / spread it around and before long everyone is absorbed in a downward spiral and not doing any WORK. Doesnt matter if its Barloworld, Briggs or Linde's turn in the barrel, the result is the same. Many things can greatly increase the chances of any company surviving in bad economic conditions that we currently are experiencing, work and focus are two....but acting like a bunch of fishwives certainly isnt one of them!