Raymond EAS 1:
no self test just deadman?

machine was working fine,,,sat all summer not used...battery was dead...charged battery for 6 hours today. put key on and deadman ? shows up in display. when I turn key on I hear the normal click and usually does a self test and then horn beep....now horn does not work,and joystick does nothing... flashing light is bright and working. Any help with this matter ? thank you for you time
  • Posted 13 Oct 2018 15:02
  • Discussion started by jz543
  • New Jersey, United States
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Code 45 problem is resolved! The only reason it was not working is because the panel got wet during the storm! I sprayed down the electric panel with with Electrical solvent to absorb any water and let it set for 3 days to dry up and it started right up with no problems. Thanks for the help! Does anyone know the total weight with battery's these trucks are?
Donald Smith
  • Posted 10 Aug 2022 06:27
  • Modified 10 Aug 2022 06:27 by poster
  • Reply by Donald_Smith
  • Ohio, United States
It has been a while since raymond used that drive system and those trucks have been long gone from our warehouse. I do not have any manuals left from that era but going by the previous code description pc contactor detected open when commanded closed this is what i have to offer.
Side cover removed you will see two big copper contactors, one is the pc contactor and one is the lift contactor, you can trace the cables coming off them. The lift motor would be sitting horizontal, the pc would have cables coming off it going to the aux motor and it would sit vertical. When you turn the key on, the pc/aux contactor should pull in for a second and then you would hear the aux motor run and cycle and then shut off. Judging by your previous comment you do not hear the click when turning the key on, this is most likely not happening.
So you can disconnect that battery and manually push the contactor in to make sure there is no mechanical issues, then you can check the resistance of the coil on the backside with the two push on wires disconnected, i think it should be around 50ohms but compare it to the lift contactor and they both should be close. You can also hook the two push on control wires back on and back probe each of them and then turn the key on and see if you are getting voltage for a second or two as they truck turns on. This should be battery voltage ie around 24v
Most likely if it is getting no voltage to the contactor then on the very top the most upper control card, it is called the system card, the vfc card screws vertically onto it, and there are a few horizontal cards that push into it, one of them is the cd8 card, if you are getting no voltage at the contactor most likely it is the cd8 (coil driver) card or system board, but there is no real test for these.
CD8 card would be the cheapest and easiest to try, if you change the system card or buy a used one make sure you change all the chips over from you old card and put the old vfc onto it as there is software chips in them that needs to match, but it has been so long that i don't know where exactly they all are.
  • Posted 31 Jul 2022 00:12
  • Reply by patrick_b
  • Alberta, Canada
If I lived closer to Ohio, I could go out there and donate some time.

Too far away though.
  • Posted 30 Jul 2022 04:42
  • Reply by LaGrange
  • Missouri, United States
Strong in mind, Strong in Health.
Donald,
i didn't mean any disrespect, you just didn't talk as if you knew what you were doing and understandably so. I was just being straight up about the scenario.
Being an autoworker is good if your working on cars.
These are not cars sir.
I'll still attempt to help you if your willing to forgive me for my bluntness. I really wasn't trying to insult you.
I've been an automotive tech in my earlier years before, and took this profession on years ago (1977) and trust me, there is a huge difference between forklifts and cars. Sure they work on DC power (now a days they are AC), but without knowledge on how these machines work your fishing and can easily burn something up if you're not careful. Same goes for cars i guess, but in this case you're dealing with higher voltage/amps and components you just don't see in cars or trucks.
But if you insist on not wanting help from me because i hurt your feelings then i'll back off.
  • Posted 30 Jul 2022 04:38
  • Reply by swoop223
  • North Carolina, United States
You've been swooped!
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Dead man switch was put together exactly it was taken off, there is only 2 wires to the switch! I'm a retired auto worker and been working and repairing cars all my life ! No, I haven't ever worked on a fork lift and yes I have a tech coming and can't get here for 2 week's! I joined this group not to get insulted m, but maybe someone on here would know what they are doing on these trucks! Apparently I was wrong, and no further need any advice! Thanks
Donald Smith
  • Posted 30 Jul 2022 04:25
  • Reply by Donald_Smith
  • Ohio, United States
these are built similar to the ray/cat reach trucks
only place there are circuit boards are under the top cover maybe and the panel behind the operators legs where the contactor panel is (the tmm and fuse/relay board are mounted in there).
If this unit was in a bad storm as he indicated in an earlier post, there is a high likely hood that water got in somewhere.

EDIT: ok this is an earlier design, the TMM, power distribution board etc are all open so if water came in it most likely got something wet. But i'll look at the photos and see if i can mark them up and show him what's what.
i got the pictures from him.
If memory serves me right on this truck the deadman circuit goes straight in to the TMM so if the switches aren't bad then, you guessed it, something is wrong with the TMM or the wiring.
But then again he's not a mechanic so we don't know if he put the deadman switch in right, (he said he replaced it). It may be wired in backwards for all we know.
He really needs a lift tech to look at it imo.
  • Posted 30 Jul 2022 04:12
  • Modified 30 Jul 2022 04:26 by poster
  • Reply by swoop223
  • North Carolina, United States
You've been swooped!
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If there are any circuit boards that were exposed to rain, I'll bet at least one of them is damaged.
  • Posted 30 Jul 2022 01:14
  • Reply by LaGrange
  • Missouri, United States
Strong in mind, Strong in Health.
thanks rodger for the help, he also sent me an email wanting to send me the picture(s) but so far nada.
Must be having technical difficulties eh?

On another note, being he has already admitted he has zero technical experience on lifttrucks i'm not sure how much help we are going to be.
  • Posted 29 Jul 2022 23:48
  • Reply by swoop223
  • North Carolina, United States
You've been swooped!
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Tried 2 times to send photos and get returned! Do you have the exact address to send to? Thanks
  • Posted 29 Jul 2022 04:35
  • Reply by Donald_Smith
  • Ohio, United States
Yes Donald_Smith. You can either send me a URL link to your photo or send me the photo (rodger at forkliftaction dot com) and we will set it up for you.
Cheers
Admin
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  • Posted 27 Jul 2022 14:06
  • Reply by Admin
  • Queensland, Australia
Is there anyway to send a photo to someone on here to circle ?? in photo what to test? I'm not a technician and though or hoping it was just the dead man switch that I replaced! I had just used the equipment 2 weeks ago and covered up outside my garage that has a overhang but we had a tornado hit in our back yard and brought a lot of rain that was blowing hard! I assume that water got inside the equipment.
  • Posted 27 Jul 2022 11:44
  • Reply by Donald_Smith
  • Ohio, United States
yep LaGrange i came to the same conclusion after doing a bit of checking.
Now i did find something else i had that deals with an ET-B series and the code 45 reads the same saying the PC contactor is open when commanded closed.
Says the PC contactor or it's related wiring may not be functioning correctly.
Says to run Test O00 - toggle the PC Contactor. Then says the PC Sense circuit may be bad. Then to test the PC Sense Voltage using test A00.
So the PC Contactor test is a different number from the other info i was looking at. Also the Sense voltage test is different.
So this model is slightly different then the newer one i was looking at earlier.

When i was saying to test fuses Donald i mean those large fuses on the buss bars on the contactor panel. There will be some large fuses they will range from maybe 70A up to 500A, depends on how many motors the truck has, there may be as many as 4 of those buss fuses. They are fairly big and do not look like your normal fuse. They have a round body with tabs on each end used to bolt them to the buss bar assy. You have to remove them to test them.
Also check the plugs on the Vehicle Manager JP4 is the deadman switch connection (it should be marked on the vehicle manager). You can check continuity there at the plug coming from the switch to make sure it is working properly. It should be wired to wire 3 to common and wire 4 to the NO side of the switch.
The PC Contactor circuit also plugs into the Vehicle Manager at JP2 or JPC8, check the contactor coil through the wiring that way. I do not have the ohm rating but it should not be open or dead shorted.
  • Posted 26 Jul 2022 09:05
  • Reply by swoop223
  • North Carolina, United States
You've been swooped!
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Yes, it's a reach fork lift! I just replace all the glass fuses and still have a Code 45!

Have Already Done:
-Replaced Glass Fuses
-Fully Charged 12 Volts (Truck Spec. 12volt)
Still 45 Code Reads Dread Man
-Changed Deadman Switch
  • Posted 26 Jul 2022 07:41
  • Reply by Donald_Smith
  • Ohio, United States
Yes, it's a reach fork lift
  • Posted 26 Jul 2022 07:35
  • Reply by Donald_Smith
  • Ohio, United States
Swoop, I think he's working on an Easi reach truck.

I google searched et-b raymond, and the images came back with an old reach truck.
  • Posted 26 Jul 2022 07:03
  • Reply by LaGrange
  • Missouri, United States
Strong in mind, Strong in Health.

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