One thing you need to put into your thought pattern is that in North America a very popular way to acquire the use of new equipment is through the fair market value lease w/ the 5 years lease the most common and Toyota made the 3 year FMV lease very popular with great montly rates that competition had a hard time meeting. At the end of the term the customers turn in the equipment & it is sold in the second hand market and the customer get new equipment. So why would users want to incur higher monthly lease payments for a more expensive equipment that will last for ions. All they want is equipment that will perform well, safely & reliably during the lease period.
The second hand market buyer is price sensitive & is commonly a low hour use application.
Once upon a time, when I was a much less experience person than I am now & fresh out of the university, it was very common that the buyer of new equipment would keep a forklift 10 years on the average and usually was a cash buyer. But Clark introduced & promote the concept of 'financial" merchandising to the lift truck industry and soon Hyster (the #2 player at the time) followed, then other jumped into the program.

Is this mainly in European market,people in North America seem either not to like them or don't like the higher price that some manufacturers charge.If TOYOTA are to charge same price for both types of trucks then more customers in North America might buy them

One of the reasons Toyota now offers a hydrostatic option is due to more & more of there customers wanting it.

Customer feedback & satisfaction are king in this business.

I think the people at Casab developed this truck. Yes it will effect other manufacturers who charge premiums for Hydra static , it must why pay premiums when Toyota doesn't charge one

Is this just the system Cesab has been using? Guess that would make sense. I saw advertised some were that Toyota power-shift and hydra-static are the same price. Will this affect the Germans manufactures sales. They mostly do hydra-static but they charge a premium for it.

Correct, Bosch Rexroth for the Toyota hydrostatic.

The braking system of hydrostatic trucks allow for no roll back on gradients the hydrostatic also allow change of direction with out stopping. Toyota use Rexroth

How does the Yale-Hyster product compare to hydrastatic trucks with is transmission braking?

What system does Toyota use for its hydrastatic?

They must meet the emissions stranded how im not sure but to sell in Europe they have to meet these standereds.

There migh be a lower standard to alow this like suggested in another post.I know in Asia Middle East and Africa emissions are lower at tier ii and iii. I thought European standards were higher level but to be able to sell you must prove you meet standards

A bit off topic, but how can the Chinese built forklift get away with, for example a Nissan K21 engine with standard Impco vaporiser and no CAT. When everyone else uses fuel injection and ECU with CAT or CAT as option.

How do they meet emissions regulations?

Again with electronic control the Linde safety pilot can do the same,But all these are electronic improvements and not basic design improvements and all add extra cost and make services more complicated.

Now if you look at the USA market that dose like a basic truck that is easy to maintain,efficient,low down time then Crown C5 can enter in this but again no company can offer all the four requirements.

No company has really revolutionized the design to meet the modern day customers needs.

Remember the Toyota SAS system isn't just about forklift stability, it also means the truck has fitted as standard.

Active steering synchroniser.
Fork levelling control.
Mast front tilt angle control.
Mast rear tilt speed control.

Forking about has got it right with Toyota hydrostatic up to 3.5 ton this willl give Linde something to think about. But Linde have the curve system that operates in a similar way to SAS so it will be down to customer choice and who can meet the customers 4 requirements in the best way. Best way still is low center of gravity, efficient, simple to maintain truck that can offer low downtime.for a cost effective price


Alos 70 percent of a trucks life is not fully utilized

SAS isn't a gimmick.

If you actually understood how the complete SAS system is designed to work & integrate with the truck you would see its a great safety plus productivity benefit.

As for the Germans, with Toyota offering choice of either torque convertor OR hydrostatic transmission on the Tonero up to 3.5 ton, it might eat more in to Linde hydrostatic market share.

Toyota use SAS, the Germans just raise the rear axle pivot point and reduce centre of gravity. Toyota could reduce there prices and do away with SAS If they followed suite. But I am guessing the SAS gimmick helps sell trucks.