Cat Lift Trucks (& Caterpillar) TH514:
Cat TH514 - Hydraulic Problem

Hello everyone! New to the forum.

I have an issue that has me kind of confused. Hoping someone can help me out. We have a TH514 that broke one of the pins holding the left cylinder on the rear of the machine that I thought was a lift cylinder...apparently CAT calls them tilt compensation cylinders.

At first we thought that someone had hit the machine and broke the cylinder off but after a closer look, it seems like the cylinder was not working properly and broke itself off. When we pull the joystick back to lift the boom, the cylinder does not move together with its partner on the other side of the boom. It only moves when we hit the button to tilt the forks. Doesn't seem right to me!

So I thought maybe a bad solenoid. Looked in the back at the control valves and realized that the fork tilt cylinder and two back "compensation" cylinders are all plumbed together. Now I'm stumped! What the **** do those "compensation" cylinders do, and why would it function that way???

I don't want to reconnect the cylinder and have it break again. Any help is greatly appreciated!
  • Posted 10 Dec 2016 10:04
  • Discussion started by rudy_g
  • Florida, United States
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Pilot,
JLG built cat? yeah i've seen a few of these, just don't make the mistake of thinking you can just order JLG parts from their version of this machine, they don't always fit because of CAT's proprietary design in some cases.
But that's a whole different story we won't get into now.
As for that Product Bulletin from JLG?
i would highly recommend doing it.
JLG generally pays for most everything in these product updates so why not?
They may not cover hauling charges but that's nothing compared to the cost of the repair.
Look into it and you'll see ;o)
  • Posted 29 May 2022 05:18
  • Modified 29 May 2022 05:19 by poster
  • Reply by swoop223
  • North Carolina, United States
You've been swooped!
swoop223@gmail.com
Here is the update the Customer does not want this modification but with more research there is a update from JLG service letter reference: Cat 1203 publication date September 23, 2013 (revised October 4, 2013) it requires boom structure enhancements adding anti kick valves to the compensator cylinders pn# 353-3455 this a major repair requiring to air arc the pin bosses off the boom and weld new ones on you will have to remove the boom or risk the machine catching fire.
  • Posted 27 May 2022 05:43
  • Reply by Pilot
  • New Jersey, United States
paul petraglia
I have a customer TH514 with the same issue the customer claims they broke the pins 3 times I have a call out to Cat no response at this time, I will keep you posted on the response, it seems the weak point is at the retainer bolts that go thru the bosses we checked pressures at the barrel and rod ends at relief 3,500 psi. if I don't get a response from Cat I think the solution is to get a pin long enough to go thru the bosses and don't drill a hole in the boss for the retaining bolt just have the end of the pins drilled for oversize washers just like the boom pin on a excavator I will keep you posted if this works.
  • Posted 21 May 2022 04:59
  • Reply by Pilot
  • New Jersey, United States
paul petraglia
I realize this is an old post but i figured I would share my experience with this anyways as it happened recently to our TH514C

We have had this happen twice now. Once the eye on the end of the cylinder actually ripped apart and the other time thankfully the cylinder was put incorrectly and was able to slide off the bushing. In our application the operators are used to running a JLG and they always drive around with the attachment tilted up all the way. So if you have the boom up and the attachment tilted all the way up and you go to let the boom down the two compensation cylinder can't compensate and tilt the attachment up farther while you lower the boom. It seems there is no bypass valve or it doesn't work fast enough and over time you will end up with a catastrophic failure. We have mandated that the attachment whether it be forks or bucket etc should remain level as much as possible to allow for the compensation cylinders to do their job. I think the biggest issue is lifting and lowering the boom with your attachment tilted all the way up or down. Seems like a really bad design and I did talk to a CAT Engineer about it. However the machine now is too old for them to really care about it anymore. Hope this helps some more people with this problem
  • Posted 22 Aug 2020 03:01
  • Reply by CJ_Brown
  • Alberta, Canada
CJB

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