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BT RR B3/15 side shift error

Hi there

Can someone shed some light on a BT Reach truck i am having problems with.

It is a truck which BT have also been looking at before me.

There was a break in the wiring loom for the reach circuit the loom was replaced and since this when trying to use the side shift it moves one way slightly but does not move the other way however the motor circuit runs and trys to shift.

The BT engineer came and replaced the loom and then the 2 solenoid valves. Now he has come to the conclusion its a card. I am not convinced the problem is in the card.

Can anyone shed some light if it is most likely to be the A5 card?
  • Posted 26 May 2011 05:29
  • By elektrodrive
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Thanks for all the input will be looking at the truck again on saturday. Will do all the required checks.

Thanks for the email got the fuse assemble info.
  • Posted 27 May 2011 04:52
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The negative feed wire should be marked with a 40.

Give the overmast loom a good check as they twist / wires break / short out.

Im waiting back on details of the protection loom but ill email across the bulletin.
  • Posted 27 May 2011 03:38
  • By Forkingabout
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Firstly youve lost negative feed to your valves the white 3 pin connector that forkingabout is talking about you will see 2 of the pin are single wires are negative and the third pin with the 2 wires joined together is your positive feed make a link wire and join the 2 single negative wires together and try to operate if everything works the problem is definetly in the overhead cable. ex BT engineer.
  • Posted 27 May 2011 01:30
  • Modified 27 May 2011 01:32 by poster
  • By powerlifter
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Hi

Its sounding like a broken wire to me & ive seen plenty of broken side shift loom wires over the years ha ha

Lift the forks up to working height & reach fully out then turn the truck off & disconeect the battery, take the inspection covers off & then stand in the reach carriage facing the forks.

There should be a white 3 pin connection on the back of the fork carriage to the left hand side, it can be well hidden, this is for the side shift valve block.

A RR B3 will be the 1.6 ton mast so that has the side shift loom come down the side of the mast.

In the reach carriage area in the left hand corner where the all the connections are, it should be top row 2nd in from the left for the side shift loom.

You need these 3 wire to work the sideshift valve block, normally there are a couple of spare wires in the loom.

Id look for short circuits & continuity in these 3 wires, there are little white number tags at each end to id them.

The tilting when the loom is disconnected & the sideshift joystick is operated is totally normal.

The current reach loom BT will supply does have extra plugs on that are for optional equipment, its easier for them to just make / stock one loom.

There are mod kits of new rollers to help stop the loom breaking, they are **** expensive, RS components do a roll of 4 core cable that is suitable to make your own new sideshift loom from.

Ill get the part number & price for the protection loom, it has 2 x 3 amp fuses in that will blow if the sideshift loom shorts itself out to save the A5 card from being damaged, there is also a service bulliten about the protection loom ill send you later

Ill be back on here later this evening.
  • Posted 26 May 2011 18:31
  • By Forkingabout
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Hi Leon

I think i can get access to display and get error readings. This one does not have the fuse assembly.

Now this is the interesting thing, the loom that broke was those three wires going back to the sideshift valve blocks along with the actual valve blocks, but under the bottom plate where they come into the harness there are 2 extra plugs which are broken, however they have been broken for time now so i am told, but the other side of the 3 wires that were broke comes back to the bottom loom and seems to be part of these broken connectors??

Now i am confused as this has 'always' been the extra plugs according to them. It sits near the tilt and reach valve blocks.
Also if i disconnect any of these the strange thing is when i pull the sideshift the tilt works instead.

Any ideas< Bt engineers name lol know but can get it :)
  • Posted 26 May 2011 17:45
  • By elektrodrive
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C25 is a general can bus error, do you know how to go in on the dash & get the E error code out that will be stored?

The later reach looms have extra plugs on, has it been connected up correctly in the reach carriage?

Has it got the short fused protection loom in plug 7 of the A5 card under the armrest?

Has the sideshift loom over the mast been checked for continuity / short circuit? you need 3 wires to the sideshift valve block.

Do you know the BT engineers name thats been looking at it? Id like a laugh lol
  • Posted 26 May 2011 07:44
  • Modified 26 May 2011 07:47 by poster
  • By Forkingabout
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Hi Leon

Yes it throws up a 25 error code intermittantly. Any ideas?
  • Posted 26 May 2011 07:17
  • By elektrodrive
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Are you getting a 25 fault code. If not check the plug that go to the solenoid sometimes the nut comes off. Both solenoids should operate one for flow and one for return. You should also be able to check the output LEDs on the a5 card.
  • Posted 26 May 2011 06:30
  • By Leon_W
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  • Tyne & Wear, United Kingdom

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