Discussion:
Battery Desulfation

Has anybody been checking out the different types of battery desulfation machine that are on the market now and increasingly growing. any feedback?
  • Posted 17 Jun 2010 05:31
  • Modified 17 Jun 2010 05:32 by poster
  • By 67dave67
  • joined 4 Dec'08 - 38 messages
  • British Columbia, Canada
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R & R,
You are the one that made the point this technology was used on the German U Boats in a previous post not me. I merely played off your statement which now must be inaccurate based on your latest comment. What is right???.
  • Posted 9 Dec 2011 12:55
  • By johnr_j
  • joined 3 Jun'06 - 1,452 messages
  • Georgia, United States
Interesting observation John- if it were accurate. There are many, many very keen users of resonance pulse technology in Europe - Just Google it. This isn't about taking sides. Companies often find that their trucks aren't giving them the production they require. I've followed behind manufactures' reps who have told these companies that it's time to replace their batteries, no ifs ands or buts; see Baers Furniture in Florida, a BattLife customer. Our use of this tech goes beyond equalization, acid adjustments, battery boiling, Epson's salt, and a whole slew of snake oil. It is evident that Baers WILL have to replace their batteries eventually but they haven't had to in well over a year since we interrupted the waste stream of these batteries going to the smelter. Also consider that this tech needed to be developed for our industry. Development is not free, it takes time, and if the tech. has been sitting around collecting dust as you suggest, it is with the good company of Nickola Tesla's wonderful and ignored patents.
I think it's time the GM to stand back and let you all sort it out. Thanks for indulging me.
And thanks for your observation, KiwiAndy.
  • Posted 9 Dec 2011 06:33
  • By RockandRoll
  • joined 9 Dec'11 - 7 messages
  • Florida, United States
www.BattLife.co
Toll Free 888-357-6489
hmm but I dont ever see the battery companies supporting anything that will affect their ability to sell new batteries.. or their proprietary chargers.
  • Posted 9 Dec 2011 05:40
  • By KiwiAndy
  • joined 16 Nov'11 - 2 messages
  • Canteerbury, New Zealand
www.enatel-mp.com
RockandRoll,
If this technology was developed by the German in WWII or ~70 years ago why did it just become a popular thing recently. The Germans (& much of Europe) are very keen on electric powered vehicles including lift trucks for some time now and they very good at marketing their technology - just ask them.
Sorry, I'm am with Arminus & Dave Conroy side
  • Posted 9 Dec 2011 05:09
  • By johnr_j
  • joined 3 Jun'06 - 1,452 messages
  • Georgia, United States
I have been using it for about a year now and have had some great success as well as a few failures, it has never damaged any batteries but if a battery is damaged or shorted it will not fix it, but does a great job on trucks that have been improperly chargered.
we use it a lot on our rental fleet as a maintenance as well as used equipment that comes in, we have tried selling it as a service but usally by the time a customer has a need for it it is too late for the battery. As far as the Battery manufactures go they would be shooting themselves in the foot to endorse such a service. All it is is a battery desulfator, nothing more. it just takes the place of proper charging.
  • Posted 9 Dec 2011 05:09
  • By 67dave67
  • joined 4 Dec'08 - 38 messages
  • British Columbia, Canada
It would be nice to hear from some one other than the general manager of the company.
  • Posted 9 Dec 2011 04:17
  • By scot_s
  • joined 10 Jun'04 - 63 messages
  • Michigan, United States
Battery manufactures will not necessarily want to endorse a product or service that interrupts their production and sales streams. If rejuvenation were more widely used, said interruption could be significant. Note: Broken cells are not healed with fairy dust and must be replaced. But give me a 30%, 40% battery with no shorts and I'll absolutely guarantee gains to at least 75% EFF that will last at least a year.
  • Posted 9 Dec 2011 03:34
  • By RockandRoll
  • joined 9 Dec'11 - 7 messages
  • Florida, United States
www.BattLife.co
Toll Free 888-357-6489
To Arminus: The warranty we are talking about is delivered and upheld by the company that is extending the life of these batteries. Again, the company is BattLife Inc. Call Larry Kratish from Hallmark Stevedoring and see what he thinks about BattLife's rejuvenation, warranties and life extension services...Thanks for your comments
  • Posted 9 Dec 2011 03:23
  • By RockandRoll
  • joined 9 Dec'11 - 7 messages
  • Florida, United States
www.BattLife.co
Toll Free 888-357-6489
Please show me where ONE, just ONE, MANUFACTURER has extended their warranty as a result of the use of one of these AFTERMARKET products.

You can't because there isn't one. End of discussion.

Save your money.
  • Posted 9 Dec 2011 02:54
  • By arminius
  • joined 3 Aug'09 - 29 messages
  • California, United States
There is a company that focuses on industrial batteries. It's more of a service than a product. Their services actually increase manufacture's warranties... It's called BattLife Inc. Hope this helps...
  • Posted 9 Dec 2011 02:33
  • By RockandRoll
  • joined 9 Dec'11 - 7 messages
  • Florida, United States
Magnetic resonance pulses were first employed during World War 2 in German submersible U-boats; enabling electric battery powered motors to run quietly over longer periods of time to deadly effect. It has since been applied in avionics and now industrial batteries. It does not replace maintenance but should be considered a standard part of maintenance. I see gains in efficiency with this tech every day. The pulse is installed on the batteries, optimizing their ability to take and keep a charge. The evidence is palpable.
  • Posted 9 Dec 2011 02:02
  • By RockandRoll
  • joined 9 Dec'11 - 7 messages
  • Florida, United States
www.BattLife.co
Toll Free 888-357-6489
I have been in this business since 1983. Over the years I have seen many gadget devices to come along "claiming" they will rejuvenate and de-sulphate your lift truck batteries. Trust me, THEY DO NOT WORK. The ONLY thing that will work is PROPER maintenance, watering, and cycling. I have seen batteries that were properly maintained survive for 15 and 16 years and still be at 80% capacity, DO NOT use fast chargers!!!! They will literally cook a battery! Fast chargers reduce the costly expense of a battery from a mfg. life expectancy of 8 years to 18 months!!!
  • Posted 8 Dec 2011 23:07
  • By DanConroy
  • joined 8 Dec'11 - 6 messages
  • Ohio, United States
Honestly, show me something where a battery MANUFACTURER endorses these devices, and it would lend a little credibility. Since battery manufacturers often endorse charging methods and manufacturers, it should follow that if there was some real benefit with 'desulfation' the battery manufactures would approve the methods.

And 60% is nothing to brag about. That's just a little better than a coin-toss.
  • Posted 22 Oct 2011 04:08
  • By arminius
  • joined 3 Aug'09 - 29 messages
  • California, United States
My company is called MacbatSA Western Cape. We are a South African based company specialising in Battery Regeneration/desulfation. Our parent company is situated in Arvika in Sweden.

We posses technology which has taken some years to develope. We currently perform licenced desulfation of Forklift batteries accross Southern Africa. At the moment we have a 60% succes rate with our exploits. We have already serviced customers who now swear by this process.

We find ourselves in increasingly difficult times and not every company can afford just to replace Cells or entire Batteries. By desulfating Batteries we not only fix the clients problem but we extend the life of their Batteries. By extending the life of their Batteries we save them cost on numerous Cell replacements and purchases of new Batteries.

Regeneration is a process which must be undertaken on an annual basis to ensure Batteries are kept running at their optimum levels. The only issue we are currently experiencing at this moment in time is that the original equipment suppliers are reluctant to try something new.
  • Posted 21 Oct 2011 21:18
  • By grant_g
  • joined 21 Oct'11 - 1 message
  • Cape Town, South Africa
Hello,
YOU need make desulfating cykle:
1 charge batery with 1/20 C5 current up to 2.55V/cell.
2 discharge batery to 2.20V/cell..., again...many times
no less 10 hours to min 1.25g/cub cm
Good luck
  • Posted 31 Aug 2011 02:57
  • By petko_t
  • joined 28 Sep'10 - 37 messages
  • Sofia, Bulgaria
p.troanski@abv.bg
Totally agree - arminius. I have solved battery issues with prospective customers by instructing them what equalize charging does (even showed them the button) & when they should do it. Got a few new customers this way.
  • Posted 2 Jul 2010 05:48
  • Modified 2 Jul 2010 05:57 by poster
  • By johnr_j
  • joined 3 Jun'06 - 1,452 messages
  • Georgia, United States
Put it on the charger. Enable Equalize (low rate) charge. Problem solved. Or get a small constant current charger to de-sulfate the battery if the OCV is too low to operate the charger.

The fact that shifty snake oil salespeople peddle a 'super-duper de-sulfation machine' is absurd.
  • Posted 2 Jul 2010 01:52
  • By arminius
  • joined 3 Aug'09 - 29 messages
  • California, United States
Proper charging and maintenance is most definitely the answer, however we all know it will never be done by all users and hence the need for the desulfation.

so I am guessing that not to many people are using or testing the systems yet?
  • Posted 29 Jun 2010 04:41
  • By 67dave67
  • joined 4 Dec'08 - 38 messages
  • British Columbia, Canada
Probably the reason the golf cart industry has taken on this, is because in the winter months the carts & batteries are idle. Whereas, for the most part industrial batteries get use year around. But certain there is not substitute for proper charging & maintanence on the industrial batties or any lead acid battery & timely use of the "Equalize" charge mode, which many users (and sales people) have the slightest idea of what it means or does.
  • Posted 27 Jun 2010 07:44
  • By johnr_j
  • joined 3 Jun'06 - 1,452 messages
  • Georgia, United States
surely a BDI & a proper charging regime is the answer here??
  • Posted 27 Jun 2010 02:29
  • By Gigallojimbo
  • joined 25 Jun'10 - 10 messages
  • West Midlands, United Kingdom

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