Discussion:
the End of Materials Handling as it is known today

The Materials Handling market is about to change. With only around six or seven of the world's manufactures serving. With in the next 10 years most warehouse will be completely different Companies like KION of China DAMATIC or TOYOTA of Japan VANDERLANDE will dominate the warehouse business with hole turnkey products. Pallet trucks, reach trucks VNA truck will all be replaced with automated equipment.

Counter balance forklift sales will also decline and be replaced with complete handling systems that will be able to move products around a facility with out the need of an operator. Out side the facility there will also be big changes Both Diesel and electric forklifts will be replaced with 100% zero emission products that will have much longer ranges then electric forklifts and will be able to handle loads up to 72,000kg while being 100% zero emission. Companies Like Hyster who have backed Hydrogen to the tune of up to $260 million investment will see this disappear as hydrogen forklifts wont be able to compete with the new technologies that will offer lower cost's ,no need for high pressure systems ,be less explosive and more cost effective than hydrogen.
  • Posted 22 Feb 2020 07:11
  • Discussion started by Exalteze
  • Halifax, United Kingdom
Exalt leading the way to a zero emission future
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nice job at NOT answering the questions exhalt
- where's the evidence (not general specs you can find anywhere else on the net about other current machines)
are you having problems getting this truck out of production (or IN production?)
you keep bumping up the due dates, you insinuate that it is a viable working truck ready for release in the 4th quarter (or is it?)
you have yet to provide ANY REAL evidence supporting these claims, all you've done is dance around the issue with elusive specs and math calculations on emission standards etc. that anyone can look up on the internet, but as of yet we are still waiting on you to provide us with what you are promoting and have been promoting for quite a long time now. You keep changing the due dates and posting information about OTHER mfg's, NOT YOUR supposed machine.
You do have an official VDI spec sheet don't you? Show us?
So can you not see why WE (those that doubt you) are taking the stance we are?

Most of us have been around this business for decades and know the industry pretty well and do know what is out there and what is coming (in reality).
But all we've heard from you is what we call in our neck of the woods BS (you figure it out)
So far we've seen nothing but elusive pointless chatter from you.
If you were a smart man you would not say another word about this until you ACTUALLY have something SUBSTANTIAL and CREDIBLE and REAL to offer.
Talk is cheap and too much talk is just wasting time and pointless and deceptive (in your case).
  • Posted 16 Mar 2020 01:48
  • Reply by swoop223
  • North Carolina, United States
You've been swooped!
swoop223@gmail.com
It is hard to take anyone serious that doesn't know the difference between a "litter" and a "litre" or a "liter" in American spelling.
  • Posted 15 Mar 2020 20:46
  • Reply by johnr_j
  • Georgia, United States
"Have An Exceptional Day!"
Well thanks it nice to see all the complementary comments about me. But as soon as I mention some one who claims to have forgotten more about the this industry or the future of this industry than us forgetting something people say something.

Now you ask where we are getting our figures from. If you look at any spec sheet for the types of trucks we have said you will see the average 12,000kg forklift will use 12 litters of Diesel per hour, one litter of diesel produces 2.68KG of CO2 and around 370L of Diesel produces one ton of CO2. At the moment the carbon tax ranges from $10 - $120 depending on which country you look at. Now most countries will use an average of $50 carbon tax per ton in 2023. So really its just basic maths.

Second we have never done any crowd funding we are backed by privet backers

Thirdly like I have said the truck is ready for release to the public in the fourth quarter of 2020.


if you think Halifax is a good night out you are years behind the times.



We are still 10 years in front of you
  • Posted 14 Mar 2020 23:26
  • Modified 14 Mar 2020 23:28 by poster
  • Reply by Exalteze
  • Halifax, United Kingdom
Exalt leading the way to a zero emission future
He hasn't got any proof, that's why he keeps deflecting with facts and figures, the easiest thing to do would be show some evidence and shut everyone up but he obviously can't as he has been coming out with the same crap for 10 years!!
  • Posted 14 Mar 2020 20:02
  • Reply by mrLifter
  • Buckinghamshire, United Kingdom
Dave nice rant pal and getting into the insults very well I see. Where are you getting your figures from?? The fairies at the bottom of your garden pal (although that was in Cottingley not Halifax). I know the education system in Halifax isn't very good (the only good thing about Halifax is it's a good night out), but I do wonder if English is your mother tongue as your post are always full of laughable spelling lol.
Where is your wonder truck Dave?. It's nearly a year since your April 2019 reveal date pal. I do wonder if this exists anywhere but in your head??
A final question Dave how did the crowd funding work out for you? As a company with the backing you claim to have I do wonder why you were on the net cap in hand begging for cash?? A phrase we use in Yorkshire for you here it goes the proof is in the pudding, where's the proof Dave??
  • Posted 14 Mar 2020 09:35
  • Reply by lifter01
  • West Yorkshire, United Kingdom
nice example on how the EPA and WTO is going to tax everyone out of using fossil fuels under the guise of 'carbon tax' and force everyone to go full electric. OR Lets hope they don't go down the road of solar power, can you imagine a forklift running off solar? or even wind?
I don't think the material handling mfg's are going to allow that to happen any time soon, they would loose way too much money just in the conversions alone.
lol
very amusing to even think of it :oD
  • Posted 14 Mar 2020 07:53
  • Reply by swoop223
  • North Carolina, United States
You've been swooped!
swoop223@gmail.com
The irony of having your intelligence questioned by an "expert" who misspelled CHINESE twice.
  • Posted 14 Mar 2020 07:05
  • Reply by ChrisK
  • Kansas, United States
Well i would have asked you about Carbon tax that will come into effect from around 2023 you know. This is the tax that will add around the following on to diesel engine equipment running cost per year.

12,000kg tier III $ 3,000
12,000kg tier V $ 2,100
16,000kg tier III $ 3,600
16,000kg tier V $ 2,500

Reach stacker Tier III $7,750
Reach stacker tier V $6,750
Reach Stacker Tier V semihyd trans $5,450

Or what about the lithium iron battery option that when you frequently charge will cause the plastic separator to melt and then cause the battery to catch fire, But there no point because you would have forgotten about all this as you are such an expert.


And as you are an expert on Hyster Yale you probably believe that paying $ 110 million for 70% of a near bankrupt Chines forklift manufacture with no real Chines market share, Or That Hydrogen will power all forklifts in the next three years or even Competing against TIL who manufacture the same trucks in Tier III in Asia are good deals and will make Hyster Yale stronger.


Or is it the case that your FOUR BRAIN CELLS just cant cope
  • Posted 14 Mar 2020 06:28
  • Reply by Exalteze
  • Halifax, United Kingdom
Exalt leading the way to a zero emission future
Ok , I get it You are trying to reverse engineer a forklift that has fallen out of a alien space craft in the past. like a cave man trying to reverse engineer a nuclear sub, you are wasting your time. Are you sure there is not some alien mind control device that has taken over your thought processes in that machine ? BTY I do not hide behind anything. People in the DFW area know who I am and that I tell like it is. Have you ever thought of getting out of your parents basement , get a little fresh air, and not pollute this website with your dislike of hyster yale or yale /hyster. You are dealing with people who have forgotten more about this industry than you will ever know.
  • Posted 13 Mar 2020 21:10
  • Reply by triumphrider
  • Texas, United States
lifter01, he pushed it up till the 4th quarter of this year, he said near the beginning of this thread. At this point in the game i doubt anyone is giving his bs any real serious thought.
It's like listening to a snake oil salesman :oD
  • Posted 13 Mar 2020 10:52
  • Modified 13 Mar 2020 10:53 by poster
  • Reply by swoop223
  • North Carolina, United States
You've been swooped!
swoop223@gmail.com
We're all still waiting for you to show proof that your wondertruck exists Dave??? April 2019 is long gone pal
  • Posted 13 Mar 2020 08:31
  • Reply by lifter01
  • West Yorkshire, United Kingdom
You won't get an answer, instead he will tell you to look it up yourself. That's his normal response for questions like you are asking.
  • Posted 12 Mar 2020 23:07
  • Reply by ChrisK
  • Kansas, United States
I am still waiting for you to list the 5 major learning centers you stated could verify your snake oil claims.
  • Posted 12 Mar 2020 21:31
  • Reply by triumphrider
  • Texas, United States
as the UK Government are going to eliminate red diesel entitlement add this with carbon taxation the fuel cost of say a 12,000kg diesel will be the highest cost of the truck operation. even at £1.00 per litter the fuel and carbon taxation would be £13 per hour.
  • Posted 12 Mar 2020 06:54
  • Reply by Exalteze
  • Halifax, United Kingdom
Exalt leading the way to a zero emission future
As a refugee from Arkansas , I can honestly say my English is not too bad, I do , howerver do lasp into native slange every now and them.
  • Posted 6 Mar 2020 22:46
  • Reply by triumphrider
  • Texas, United States

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