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G3 Steer sensor code?

All functions ok, steer sensor light turns on and off, sensor tests ok on bench but will not cutout steering when sensor is past plate. Unit steers to stops and then turns the ring gear only.
Some advise please.
  • Posted 20 Apr 2014 07:54
  • By tom_p
  • joined 21 Feb'11 - 198 messages
  • Alberta, Canada
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Thanks everyone for the good advise. J B welded the ring gear on as welding could not be performed in the warehouse. Once that was done still had a G3 fault. Tested the sensor and found no signal from the sensor when light on. Sourced a sensor from local suppler and installed same. (Raymond has this component on Back order) Unit now works. Steer current is about 12-20 amps on the floor and stationary, once the stops are engaged current runs up to 80 amps for maybe 3 seconds then drops out to 0 (while still steering). Unit has about 9000 hours, greased every 200 hours since new and has about.080". Have not yet checked the radial wear.
  • Posted 4 May 2014 07:56
  • By tom_p
  • joined 21 Feb'11 - 198 messages
  • Alberta, Canada
Factory welds these toothed rings now, as do rebuilders.

Lifttrainer,
cutting the steer sensor rail is old news and would apply to early model trucks from 2004-2006. But some low use trucks are out there with old software.They would still have longer "flags" or sensor bars.
Like I said, factory messed with this many many times. Early system had steering hit stops hard, then current was cut back to the steer motor. This took out steer rings and blew steer amps. Newer Style has shorter "flag" with software that uses the prox to see Flag ends. Now, as the prox sees the end of the flag as you turn, it counts degrees of movement and cuts off steering before the drive unit hits the stops hard. Even with this new system, the first time you steer hard to each end, it hits the stops. After that it learns, then wont hit either end as you turn. As for axial play in radial rings, the factory will not warrantee a drive unit unless it has 120. thou play. But yes, replace them if they hit 90 thou. You need a dial guage, jack up truck, set guage then drop truck to floor. Driving with the door off will show the drive motor swing back and forth with clunking sound on plugging. The fixed position steer motor takes a beating here! Some fresh factory rebuilds have 60 thou right out of the box. Every 7400 drive I've taken apart has wear on the square shoulders where the rings sit. That usually means the unit is shot, but we put new rings in and let it go. Rebuilders do the same thing because i've taken one apart and realized the fresh rebuild had wear in same places.
Advice to anyone working or maintaining 7400's.grease radial rings every 100 hrs. There are NO seals to hold grease or protect steel **** Grease simply falls out the bottom. You can actually see the **** from the bottom side if no grease is present. Once that layer of protection is gone, very rapid radial ring wear occurs. THEN, you could lose steering, get GD codes, loose the steer motor due to side stress, and lose the steer amp from overcurrent while it's trying to turn a seized drive unit. 3000 hrs is as far as you get before needing radial rings....but greasing more frequently increases life. Just remember, most electrical steer error codes are caused my mechanical wear.
  • Posted 3 May 2014 22:33
  • Modified 3 May 2014 22:53 by poster
  • By EasiTek
  • joined 12 Aug'08 - 533 messages
  • Ontario, Canada
My suggestion, RayTech, is to read pg 7-47 of the current Model 7400 maintenance manual, left column, paragraph 4 that states, "If the reading exceeds 0.090in. (2.3mm), then the radial rings should be replaced." The standard is 90 thousandths, not 120. Also, there is a service bulletin that requires the shortening of the steer sensor rail that the prox switch reads. Yes, if the ring gear on the top of the drive unit is loose, the code can appear from this as well. Just wanted to clarify...
  • Posted 1 May 2014 23:00
  • By lifttrainer
  • joined 14 Apr'11 - 16 messages
  • Tennessee, United States
My pet peeve...7400 electric steering. Worst engineering blunder of the forklift world. Your lucky it actually does steer! Depending on what software is in the truck, the steering reacts totally different in older versions. First, you must weld the ring on the drive unit. If the steer encoder sees the steer motor turning too long after the stop, it codes out. Newer software counts the degrees a drive unit turns after the "flag" or sensor activates. It then stops all steering before the drive unit hits the hard stops, and causes steer motor damage. Test I90 shows the degrees at each end. They should be equal, about 7 to 8 deg each end.
Start by welding the ring, then see where youre at. If its a big customer, and they can afford it, have a raymond tech install the latest software. Be sure to check the radial ring wear. No more thane 120 thou up and down play. Look under the truck, at the drive unit. Are there wear marks over the drive tire area? thats metal on metal drag, will cause codes and or NO STEERING!
  • Posted 26 Apr 2014 09:44
  • By EasiTek
  • joined 12 Aug'08 - 533 messages
  • Ontario, Canada

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