Discussion:
the End of Materials Handling as it is known today

The Materials Handling market is about to change. With only around six or seven of the world's manufactures serving. With in the next 10 years most warehouse will be completely different Companies like KION of China DAMATIC or TOYOTA of Japan VANDERLANDE will dominate the warehouse business with hole turnkey products. Pallet trucks, reach trucks VNA truck will all be replaced with automated equipment.

Counter balance forklift sales will also decline and be replaced with complete handling systems that will be able to move products around a facility with out the need of an operator. Out side the facility there will also be big changes Both Diesel and electric forklifts will be replaced with 100% zero emission products that will have much longer ranges then electric forklifts and will be able to handle loads up to 72,000kg while being 100% zero emission. Companies Like Hyster who have backed Hydrogen to the tune of up to $260 million investment will see this disappear as hydrogen forklifts wont be able to compete with the new technologies that will offer lower cost's ,no need for high pressure systems ,be less explosive and more cost effective than hydrogen.
  • Posted 22 Feb 2020 07:11
  • Discussion started by Exalteze
  • Halifax, United Kingdom
Exalt leading the way to a zero emission future
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By now we all know he has no real answers to give.

This thread alone is pushing 3 years (Feb 2020) Let's not forget the prior one that was "deleted by the admins". The thread asking about it started Sep 2018. To date that has been 4 years, 2 months, 13 days. Plus the time the magically deleted thread went on.

The Saturn 5 rocket that was the backbone of the Apollo Program took 6 years to go from paper to flight. Yet this super duper forklift can't get to market.

Nothing is ever going to come out of this. After all, he's still under the belief we work for, or have ties to Hyster/Yale.
  • Posted 15 Nov 2022 00:12
  • Reply by ChrisK
  • Kansas, United States
The story of this modular, ammonia eating, zero emission world beater has only materializes in a Lego like model in a video. Recall a post where Dave or what ever his screen name was at the time proclaimed 15 such units were being prepared for some user(s) on the east coast of North America with mobile ammonia fueling would be available to keep them up and running. Seems that story died "the death of a ragged doll". A couple of years later not one has hit the east coast. But today it seems they might be available some time down the road. There seems to be be a lack of credibility in Dave's written words and lack of integrity going on.. Kinda' like being served a large bowl of "Soup Sandwiches" to folks on FAC.
BTW here is the definition of the word customer.per Webster's Dictionary- "A customer is a person who "buys" goods or services from a business."
  • Posted 13 Nov 2022 09:00
  • Reply by johnr_j
  • Georgia, United States
"Have An Exceptional Day!"
Dave Dave Dave your getting to be like a record that has stuck my friend. One thing that gets to me as a fellow Yorkshire man is that we are know around the world for being hard working, stubourn (very) proud of where we come from and trustworthy. You only hit one of those and it inst the last one pal.
You say you won't show the truck because a few people on here demand it but and its a big but you have posted on here numerous times when it will be revealed so please dave be a true Yorkshire man.
I've looked on companies house and every company you've had a directorship in starting with Shaw on Pellon Lane has been dissolved?? Why is that Dave??
A final thought you talk of customers?? You don't have a product to sell so where are these mythical customers coming from??
  • Posted 13 Nov 2022 08:14
  • Reply by lifter01
  • West Yorkshire, United Kingdom
there it is again...
more rambling on avoiding the one thing he has promised to do years ago...
but yet deflects to 'we will do it in OUR own time'. then goes off rambling about other things to gaslight once again acting like the 'mircale "zero emmission" machine' isn't the real question we are trying to get to the bottom of.
Sure we know other technologies are being developed in this realm global production and ALL manufacturers are trying to get a hold in the markets and they ALL are finding out that maybe certain ones aren't as viable as others. So far NONE of them measure up to what we have had in the recent past.
We are trying to take steps forward but in reality we are digressing backwards in some respects in 'the name of innovation and technology'.
But enough of that, the question has always been where is this machine you have touted for years? EVERY TIME we try and push that issue at you, you always deflect off onto some other tangent to avoid the obvious...
YOU DON"T HAVE ONE TO SHOW ANYONE.
AND...
I think the reason you bash the big mfg's is they can actually produce, advertise and deliver on their products in a reasonable time frame which is considerably way less time than your claims.
Until you produce a unit, a real one and stop touting the claims nobody is going to believe you anymore.
Anyone can do research in the industry and gain a bit of knowledge to impress someone but unless you can actually deliver on your claims?
it's all hogwash....
Yes i work for one of the big mfg's but that is irrelevent, at least when they introduce something new into the market, they advertise it and then actually put it out there for the consumer to see and use.
so far after years and years what have you got?
NOTHING.
  • Posted 13 Nov 2022 06:15
  • Reply by swoop223
  • North Carolina, United States
You've been swooped!
swoop223@gmail.com
We did look at hydrogen yes and we came to the same conclusion as JCB.


Hydrogen would never be a viable fuel because of a number of issues.


We call this progress

This is how innovative works
  • Posted 13 Nov 2022 05:08
  • Reply by Letaq60n
  • W. Yorkshire, United Kingdom
Next Generation Materials Handling company Exalt - MH are set to improve the air quality around the Globe with their revolutionary Modulift H2 counter balance forklift truck. The Modulift H2 will be the world first full production hydrogen fuel cell powered counter balance forklift truck.


Exalt - MH are a new Global start-up company who are to raise $2,000,000 from a number of potential middle eastern based investors to develop and test their Revolutionary variable platform counter balance forklift. The range will cover counter balance forklift with lift capacities from 2,000kg - 16,000kg and an 8,000kg 8 high stacking empty container handling forklift These machines will be powered by 40Kw,60Kw,80Kw,120KW, 160Kw and 180Kw Hydrogen fuel cell power packs, and will run 12kw,15Kw, 22kw and 33kw electric drive motors.




Today's world is changing and companies all need new ways to improve their environmental foot print. At the moment customers of Counter Balance Forklift manufactures have a number of choices for their equipment. Unfortunately, these have been problematic regarding the capability of answering questions of improving the air quality, efficiency, and ease to operate. Customers who choose all electric forklifts have the problems of the giant battery room that consumed lots of real estate. The maintenance of battery, watering systems, racking, lost time for driver's waiting in line to change batteries at a single spot, the time they have to drive getting there, wait in line, then replace a battery...can be half an hour or more Then, there is the damage batteries can cause to trucks. Plugs wear out from constant unhooking, get broken or crushed. Batteries get tired, some worse than others, and it causes driver's to lose time because their battery lasted only 4 hrs. many batches of new batteries come in, with 25% failing early on. Driver's know which batteries are duds, and avoided them. batteries caused many failures in electronics by going too low in voltage and too high in current. Customers also need 3 batteries for a 24-hour shift operation



Then there is the choice of IC engine powered forklifts these are genially the most pollutant type of machines and can cause the most damage to the environment.



Exalt answer to these problems is their Hydrogen fuel cell forklifts they are 100% zero emission and unlike electric forklifts don't have the same problems with Cumbersome battery charging and multiple batteries for different **** patterns. The Exalt hydrogen fuel cell forklift can be fully refuelled in less than 5 minutes form the onsite rapid response electrolyser that efficiently converts surplus renewable electricity into hydrogen gas. The Exalt Modulift H2 range of forklifts would have an hourly range of between 35-45 hours before the need to refuel.



The operator of the new modulift H2 will be more productive. The distinctive feature of the newly designed Exalt cabin is a large glass panel that unites the front window with the side windows. The exclusion of the A-pillar combined with the curved window design allows an outstanding panoramic view for the driver. fork tip and rear view camera ensure a complete view at the front and behind the machine. This guarantees maximum safety of the workers, the machine and the load, while increasing productivity at the same time. Versatile ergonomic adjustments of the driver seat ensure high comfort and thereby reduce fatigue



Pedals are installed for acceleration and braking of the Modulift H2. The machine is operated by an ergonomic adjustable steering wheel. The function buttons on the steering wheel control all the ModuliftH2 function direction control is selected by using the switches on the rear of the steering wheel while the lift / lowering and tilt functions are handled by function buttons on the front of the steering wheel



The large Screen behind the steering wheel allows the operator to always be able to view the outside of the machine and the touchscreen human machine interface are within easy reach and does not disturb the outside view as well as all operating and signalling elements. The operating and control instruments are well laid out and are user-friendly. All operation-relevant data can be recorded quickly and efficiently. To the drives own personal tablet in the control console. The efficiently level of operating comfort allows the operator to work particularly efficiently and safe.



So, having read the above one can only presume that the onsite electrolyser has been replaced with delivery trucks for the ammonia.
All these other companies building hydrogen fuel cells are going about it the wrong way according to the above, but at least they have products in the marketplace and have customers.

But of course, Dave can't tell us who his customers are because of confidentiality. Pity really, because my company are looking to replace the MHE fleet across several sites and going green is the eventual aim.
  • Posted 13 Nov 2022 05:02
  • Modified 13 Nov 2022 05:10 by poster
  • Reply by Tat2dPete
  • Strathclyde, United Kingdom
Pete
As I have said we will launch of equipment in our own time not to suit people on a forum

None of you are our customers, so why do we need to show you our equipment.


This post was about how the future of materials handling equipment could develop. There will be many opportunities to develop better products that suit the markets better. Ammonia IC engines will be one of a number of different options out there.

So why not contribute to the discussion


We do post regular updates on our equipment but not on hear
  • Posted 13 Nov 2022 04:19
  • Modified 13 Nov 2022 04:25 by poster
  • Reply by Letaq60n
  • W. Yorkshire, United Kingdom
and blah blah blah blah...
what does ANY of that big mfg nonsense have ANYTHING to do with the ONE THING we have been pointing out for a very long time now?
EVERY TIME you use this to deflect and sidetrack the ONE single thing we've been saying...
Where is this machine you've been promising to deliver to the world?
Until you show it "in REAL TIME"
Our only conclusion is that YOU are Blowing smoke up everyone's azz mister.
"who" any of us work for has nothing to do with calling you out on it.
nice try though :oP
  • Posted 13 Nov 2022 02:55
  • Reply by swoop223
  • North Carolina, United States
You've been swooped!
swoop223@gmail.com
There are around six people on hear that don't like what we are doing, some of them are connected or have been concerted to Hyster Yale in one form or another so they certainly don't like what we are saying about hyster yale. On hyster yale this is my opinion and looking at their results my opinion seems to be correct. I do believe a Chines OEM like Hangcha will purchase hyster yale with in the next couple of years. The main reason for this is the fact that hyster yale will have very large write downs on two projects NUVERA and Maximal, NUVERA believe hydrogen fuel cells will work and have invested over $150 million in this area. So lets look at what JCB say on Hydrogen fuel cells

They made a fuel cell prototype, a 20 tonne excavator. They started to understand the complex challenge of putting a fuel cell into a piece of construction equipment. Construction equipment machines need energy quickly, whereas fuel cells are better suited to a more gentle environment. And they started to realise fuel cells weren't too good for response, were too complicated and too expensive for the market that they serve


It will be the fact hyster yale have bet the house on hydrogen fuel cell technology that will see them be sold. Like what has been pointed out they are a public traded company and when Hangcha make a bid the shareholders will say enough is enough and sell
  • Posted 12 Nov 2022 22:45
  • Modified 12 Nov 2022 22:46 by poster
  • Reply by Letaq60n
  • W. Yorkshire, United Kingdom
YOU said-
"I Can say that wants (should be ONCE) we are able to show our machines and our equipment then we will " A very vague statement IMHO.

Dave you have already announced on these boards multiple time frames of your launch or exhibit of your ammonia eater.. Go back and reread what you have stated in black and white on FAC.
Glad you weren't the script writer for Walt Disney's Snow White and The Seven Dwarfs. That carriage would have a better than 99.9999% chance of turning into a pumpkin.

Plus, read how many times you have mentioned Yale-Hyster or Hyster-Yale
  • Posted 12 Nov 2022 22:24
  • Modified 12 Nov 2022 22:25 by poster
  • Reply by johnr_j
  • Georgia, United States
"Have An Exceptional Day!"
Firstly I'm not bad mouthing Hyster im just pointing out what people don't put, ChrisK pointed out Hyster results for Q3 what he didn't point out was how much they lost. Now ok you could say they might make money again eventually and yes they might. But what I have pointed out before is that Hyster will loose money now they are loosing money. Hyster had to take a $25 Milllion dollar cash write down Q3 last year on Nuvera and will take more in the coming Years. If you were to Look at KION results for Q3 they had a Turnover of over 8 Billion Euro with a EBITof over 200 Million Euro

On our Truck, we are progressing very nicely thank you, but due to confidentiality agreements with certain parties we cant discuss our plans but , I Can say that wants we are able to show our machines and our equipment then we will
  • Posted 12 Nov 2022 21:01
  • Reply by Letaq60n
  • W. Yorkshire, United Kingdom
Lifter,

Totally agree with you.
How many years have all these questions been asked?
Now days is there any OEM or dealer that is not taking a huge margin lose due to current economic conditions?

Hyster/Yale is a publicly traded company which means that someone expects them to make money at some point.
  • Posted 12 Nov 2022 08:30
  • Reply by Partsguy5
  • California, United States
Come on Dave people are asking you valid questions and all you seem to be able to do is once again bad mouth Hyster/yale. We're over a year from when you told us you would reveal your wonder truck so 1 answer the questions you've been asked and 2 do what you've promised to do several times now and show the truck
  • Posted 12 Nov 2022 07:39
  • Reply by lifter01
  • West Yorkshire, United Kingdom
He is probably busy collecting and burying acorns for the winter with his fine fury friends.
  • Posted 11 Nov 2022 21:56
  • Reply by johnr_j
  • Georgia, United States
"Have An Exceptional Day!"
I have yet to get an answer of any kind on the last couple of questions i have posted to that person we call dave
  • Posted 11 Nov 2022 03:12
  • Reply by Dexter1212
  • Texas, United States

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