Morgy ive got to disagree with you. I dont know about where you are but over here the market isnt price driven its quality driven. Look at who shifts the most machines year on year in Europe its not Heli, Samuk etc its Linde, Toyota, Nacco, crown(not in that order) etc yes you could buy 2 cheap rubbish machines for less then the Linde but customers don't want any breakdowns at all. I can guarantee as well you will come to a situation when both machines go down at the same time. You get what you pay for in this game pay peanuts and get rubbish