tj- I agee that management has to have personal responsibility in the training & safety of their emplyees- but I have seen over & over again that it's the emplyees- not management- that ruin the training & safety programs by doing shortcuts they know they shouldn't do.

I do know accidents happen, that sometimes good meaning actions go horribly wrong, but if you're trained on what not to do- then you shouldn't do it, period.

It's hard for me to feel bad for someone who is trying to beat the clock, hurrying up so they can take a break later & wind up hurting themselves ( or worse yet, someone else) because they were going to fast, were distracted & not paying attention, or just plain being stupid.

I have had customers who's management didn't value safety & training, and the moral of the employee pool showed the result of such thinking. When management doesn't care, no one does. It's amazing the results attained when everyone is trained, cameras are installed and someone is let go because the company has a system in place that weeds out repeated safety violators. Everyone seems happier (believe it or not), more pride seems to be taken at their respective job and, in the long run, repairs to the equipment actually are less because problems are caught & resolved much more quickly- mostly because no one wants to operate a lift that may be unsafe.