Hi Blacksmoking i agree with you Briggs have seemed to have done a good job with Yale and improved the Yale image here in the UK. Hyster have done OK in Big trucks but as the world does not revolve round UK It might be some time before the People at NACCO relies what is happening Boards always seem to be years behind the markets. As for Utilev and even Clark hamech they won't work just as Chuck s has pointed out when have they worked in the past never.