LOL! Well when I worked with OSHA I was called a number of things, but being the "ICS Guy" is the first...but I like it. Yes my name is John and I appreciate all the input. Problem with discussing concerns in "text" is that you don't have any tone, that is you can't really tell ones actuall opinion or concern and also when you type fast like I do, and think before typing...well your spelling and grammar is sometimes in question...as noted in some of the replies and my statements. Anyway, I agree....this conversation would flow much better over a few beers, but it isn't Friday yet.................IS IT?