to be fair about this topic the loss of even 1 soul to a lift truck under any circumstances would be (is) horrible and any thing we can do to curtail these events we should do. that includes restraints and lots of training. where i differ in opinion from some of you is the invitation for more government involvment. nothing that the government has regulated has improved (military and public transportation excluded). there are criminal and civil laws that provide for enough leverage to make ownership of companies change hands. i beleive things are scary enough as they are. i should also point out that i am a certified operator trainer and do understand the dangers of equipment misoperation but it's not my thing (i live on the technical side) thanx for listening.