I am a first time visitor to this chatroom. I must say that I am rather surprised at how safety professionals such as yourself can easily turn an important topic such as safety training, and it does not matter exactly what topic we are discussing, into a fighting match. I am a trainer who has have been in the field for many years and I have come across some pretty nasty characters, but none that have tried to diminish ones credibility, like some of you on this board have tried to do. If I had one piece of advice or comment to share with you, it would have to be "Keep your eye on the ball" Let's not forget why we became safety professionals in the first place.