"Will" implies every one will, what I think you might be trying to say is "some will".
If I was going to make a comment, "some may" would be appropriate and give libel lawyers less to chew on.

If there had never been a case of a lithium iron battery catching my fire. Then saying will would not be correct, but as there have been many cases of Lithium iron batteries catching fire saying Will implies that there are going to be other cases of this happening,just hope it's not your truck we're it happens

No it's not misleading or complete nonsense, saying will implicates that some lithium iron batteries will catch fire. It's been shown in older equipment, wether being a mobile phone, car or other types of equipment. Lithium iron batteries have caught fire. So say they won't catch fire is not correct, because it has been proven they will

No it's not misleading or complete nonsense, saying will implicates that some lithium iron batteries will catch fire. It's been shown in older equipment, wether being a mobile phone, car or other types of equipment. Lithium iron batteries have caught fire. So say they won't catch fire is not correct, because it has been proven they will

Using the words "can and will" together is very dangerous and you should take that post down.
"Can" is fine because we know from experience ther have been instances of failure, some resulting in "fire". Just like any other type of battery or fuel source.
Saying "will" implies that every lithium ion battery "will" catch fire, clearly complete nonsense and totally incorrect / misleading.

Agree with you heightlift. Aircraft batteries that are lithium ion have failed in early life. Boeing 787 Dreamliners were grounded during the investigation, so you can't say failure is age / cycle related.

But who would be liable if a lithium battery set a fire the forklift OEM, the dealer or rental company who supplied the truck. If its the dealer or rental company then a major fire could bankrupt the company.


Its now been shown that lithium iron batteries can and will catch fire because of their chemistry and over heating, if the battery management system develops a fault then this might also cause a fire because of over heating in the battery. If you are the customer you will want to be claiming against somebody if your forklift set your facility a fire because of a fault.


Insurance companies are always looking for a way out and not to pay a claim

Forklift's have set on fire without lithium battery's. There is always going to be a certain amount of risk.

well as Linde Gas are the worlds largest producer of Hydrogen you would expect them their PR side to say they are investing massively in Hydrogen production. But who will be the end user of all this hydrogen certainly not the materials handling industry its just to expensive and unpractical to use. The lithium battery failure was not the plane its self but a mobile phone. What we are seeing is the older or more charge a lithium iron battery gets the more likely the chances of a fire happening. Now if a Lithium iron battery set fire in a forklift and burnt the warehouse or factory down who be resonanceable, would it be the OEM who supplied the truck probably so does this meen that for every forklift or peace of warehouse equipment with a lithium iron battery they sell. there could be a good chance they might be liable for millions of dollars of damages if their truck battery was to catch fire

The way I read it donkey punch was asking you a direct question that you not so neatly sidestepped, going for a career change in politics?? Your comments re hydrogen are at odds with lined gasses massive investment in the production of hydrogen. Hardly likely to do that with no market. With regards to lithiun iron batteries the technology is sound all the publicised failures, including aircraft batteries have been because of poor manufacture or misuse, which can have the same effects with any power source or stored energy system.

Probably more than yours, with 100% better technology


Still cant hide the fact that Hyster Yale increased turn over decreased profitability, and are now look at a massive loss on their Nuvera business. With in three years the hydrogen economy will be dead and berried, meaning Hyster will need to have a couple of $100 million wright down on Nuvera.


Hydrogen as a fuel is just to expensive and in efficient to be able to be run commercially in materials handling equipment plus the vibration on a counter balance forklift working in an outside environment would shake the fuel cell and damage it. Lithium iron batteries are now showing there own limitations and dangers, just the other day a mobile phone battery Exploded on a Ryanair flight meaning the plane had be evacuated.

So what was your turnover and operating profit for 2017? Empty can rattles loudest,. Deeds not words........ take your pick!!

See Hyster Yale operating profit for second quarter of 2018 are doing well down by around $10 million on 2017. With what is coming around the corner for hydrogen fuel cell that will result in a massive wright down in The Nuvera business. Looks like Hyster yale are well on their way to be sold to a Chinese manufacture like Hangcha

Regular or extra strength?

OK is can you show that anything i have put is not true because i can show it is