There is no risk to the operator or anybody else for this matter. The system works at 30 bar if a leak is detected the shut down valve is on the tank its self-allowing any ammonia in the pipe system to be burnt in the engine. The truck then goes into full electric mode and can be driven out side by the operator or the engineer. Any of the leaked ammonia is kept in side the powerpack its self so there is no danger to any one


We have also looked a cost per hour comparison to a 10,000kg diesel truck.

A diesel truck cost around $10 per hour to run including fuel and service charges.

A all electric truck cost around $4 per hour to run including electric and ser-vice charges.

A all ammonia hybrid cost $2,5 per hour to run including fuel and service charges.

If ammonia will not leak outside its self contained system, then there sho uld be no reason to have a detector and shut down system....but I am glad that there is both detector and shut down system. That said then depending on the source of the leak a considerable amount of ammonia could leak until the pressure is equalised. Operator training for unexpected events in any discipline is difficult so you can't rely on an operator remembering to drive outside when he gets an "ammonia alarm".
LPG, diesel and electric trucks do catch fire but are rarely driven outside the warehouse, the operator gets away as soon as possible, and to be fair in the UK employers do nor incourage or compel operators to take personal risks in this respect.

There are submarines sitting on the bottom of the ocean because their leak prevention systems did not operate properly. Did You ever look at the btu content of nerve gas agents? Might be a new energy source for your Uber truck.

ChrisK
This guy changes tunes faster than a Canadian goose during mating season.
No offense intended to those that celebrate the Maple Leaf & Lord Stanley's Cup. But a whole lot of those geese like to frantically go forth and multiply right here in the state of Georgia on my fav fishing lakes and golf course ponds - guess they just don't want to fly any further north to become parents again or just plane ****.

So now you are claiming you only had the intention of revealing your technology in April of 2019. Here is why nobody believes you.

In your thread titled I Wonder What Happened to the Future of Forklift discussion. on Page 7, post #3.....YOU SAID

"Like i have said we have agreed a funding deal now and we can and will produce the new truck at the beginning of 2019 and yes it will be a game changer in the materials handling industry."

Do you see your statement of CAN AND WILL PRODUCE AT THE BEGINNING OF 2019?

Doesn't matter how many websites, YouTube videos or troll posts you make. You can't get your story straight and this truck will never exist, and it will never be a "game changer"

our system dosent allow ammonia to leak outside of its self contained system. There is a warning system built into the truck that detects the slightest bit of ammonia and then shuts the system completely down. the truck can be driven on the electric system to an outside area if working indoors or to a certain area out side where the power pack can be exchanged and taken away for repair. An exchange unit is fitted allowing the truck to be back in service in under 4 four of the warning system

Ammonia stays close to the ground, besides if as much ammonia leaks out as the amount of hydrogen that was on the Hindenburg I can see another disaster similar to the Union Carbide chemical accident in India a few years back. 2% hydrazine was used as a fuel booster in nitromethane back in the sixties, large power gains were noted, From engine blow ups and anybody that was near the stuff developing all kinds of cancers, people learned to leave it alone. AMMONIA IS DANGEROUS. One lung full and you are screwed

People didn't need to sit on the boards of Nokia Blackbury or Blockbusters to tell its was going to end badly for the company.

Like I Have pointed out HY will probably have a massive wright down in the next couple of years and this will make them a easy target for a Chinese OEM.

Also What caused the Hindenburg to catch fire was leaking Hydrogen being ignited by a spark. And you say ammonia is dangerous

@tugger
Like the way you think!

Us folks in our Golden years sure can deliver our fair share and often. As I say the only thing I've found Golden about the Golden years is the color of my urine. Maybe now I can get paid for it now.

Light bulb moment, the totally renewable source for the ammonia for Exalts truck is urine, there sure is plenty about to make sure it never runs out of fuel.

I don't know wether to laugh or cry, possibly cry with laughter..now your self proclaimed deadline is here you are saying " and just for the record what I ment was our technology. Would be revealed in April" so no super truck will be seen sat on its wheels powered by its ammonia hybrid power plant lifting max weight 40' containers 6 high, ok w ello I am a little disappointed.
"And just for the record" you said "are I know because wagon drivers are smarter than forklift drivers" (your typos not mine)
I said that the skills required to safely transport, handle and refuel trucks with ammonia were skills not held by lift truck engineers or operators. Nowhere did I say, imply or suggest that "these people would not be able to learn new skills needed" those are your words not mine!
Yes indeed I could have said "at the moment forklift engineers and forklift operators would need retraining to be able to handle the ammonia in a safe manner" but then I didn't need to it was you who should have sad it rather than saying "wagon drivers are smarter than lift truck drivers"!!!!
It is hardly surprising that the people developing your system, (I assume you will have the ip), have encouraged you to go the ammonia route as you are funding their r&d! Any as always loads of "probably", "some" etc in their to give you an escape route.
You don't sit, or haven't admitted sitting, on the HY board so you don't know the why's and where forms of HY business, short or long term. I am not going to speculate.

Im not Trolling hyster maximal, i believe Hyster will have to make a massive wright down in assets some time in the Next couple of Years.

Now what you are implying is that hyster is to Big to fail.Now i bet you would of said the same about Nokia or Blackbury or even Blockbusters.


Now as you mentioned the Hyster results Nuvera had a loss of $35.2 Million EBITDA in 2018 and have lost Money ever since 2014. Hyster Yale have seen their EBITDA Drop each year from 2014 - 2018 from $182 Million to $94 Million. Now for a company thats doing sow well that's great. Now even if they can keep at say $100 Million the wright down will take over three years to put Hyster Yale back in some type of profitable EBITDA.


Now i believe That Hyster Yale will be a take over target for a Chinese company like Hangcha or Sany in the next couple of years and they will get Hyster Yale at a knock down price.


Now as you mention i'm just trolling Hyster Yale.


And just for the record what i ment was our technology would be revealed in April

As you have mentioned we are just at the start of our Journey , but i would like to say Sany around 10 Years ago were at the start of their Journey in Container handling , now they are the top producer of Reach Stackers in the world.

You can come a long way in a short space of time.

In 2016 Hyster-Yale had $2,569.7 million (U.S.) in revenue. They had an operating budget of $34.9 million (U.S.); net income of $42.8 million (U.S.); Total Assets of $1,287.1 million (U.S.) and Total Equity of $463.8 million (U.S.) Not to mention the 6500 people they employ.

So tell me, why with a business like that, would I (or anyone) take the word of a forum troll that their business plan or investments are not correct?

This on top of the fact, that you told all of us you would have your truck ready to go THIS MONTH, but in your last post you stated "The people that are developing our system...." Which clearly means you are in development STILL.

So far, thru all of your trolling of Hyster, Maximal, Diesel forklifts, battery technology you have offered NOTHING to compete with them.

So again, why would I doubt the strategy of a company like Hyster-Yale because of a post of someone who has done nothing more than prove he has a computer and an internet connection?

The people that are developing our system will probably be as clever as the people that designed the Appollo system. These people are some of the best people in the world that understand Ammonia and how Ammonia works. To be totally honest they are probably some of the best people that understand Hydrogen fuel cell as well. That's why they advised us not to go down the hydrogen route.

As for my comments on forktruck drivers and forklift engineers. To remind you of what you said in your post. Other luminaries on this thread have commented on the additional skills and requirements necessary to keep ammonia plants SAFE and transport it safely, skills not held by lift truck engineers or operators who may complete refuelling activities. To me this suggested that these people would not be able to learn new skills needed.

What you could of said is that at the moment forklift engineers and forklift operators would need re training to be able to handle the ammonia in a safe manner.
Chris K just to simplify the question. would you pay $100 million and invest a further $10 million in a Chinese forklift manufacture who produce in one year around three weeks production of one of the big Chinses manufactures like Heli , and has no real IP

Give me strength....of course I do not know the detail of your ammonia hybrid fuel system because you haven't launched your truck. Anything that has been built has the potential for failure. Think back to the solid rocket booster that failed in the Apollo program, designed and built by I would suspect much cleverer people than you and I, but history shows it failed. Your system will have the potential to fail. Insurance rates are based on history and risk assessment, if later experience shows that premiums do not cover reimbursements of claims and or conflict with prior conclusions on risk, the rates will go up. Your comments re truck drivers and lift truck drivers is an insulting generalisation and you should withdraw it immediately.