Hyster will soon if not already start to use maximal products for their Utilev Brand so how will this effect Hangcha. Hangcha have been building Utilev forklifts for some time and would have access to the Hyster Yale dealer network so what is stopping them approaching dealers directly to offer spare parts for trucks already in the market and also offering the their own products.
Hyster has also said they will produce a hydrogen fuel cell reachstacker. will this be the same type of white elephant like the container handling sideloader of the 1970's. The cost of a hydrogen reachstacker or container handling forklift would be in the high end of the hundreds of thousands of dollars and the running cost would be something like 31 dollars per hour to run just on fuel with a multi million dollar refueling system needed as well. a diesel reachstacker would cost around half the cost of a hydrogen one and would cost around 16 dollars per hour to run.
An ammoina Hybrid reachstacker would be 100% zero emission and would cost around the same price as a diesel reachstacker and would cost around 5 dollars per hour to run and would not need a very expensive refueling system
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Johnr j, you have just shown how you don't even understand our product our idea or any thing about our business model.
To start with the exchange moduals will be held by the service dealers, they can exchange a unit in less than one hour and if you take three hours for the call and travel time, i'm sure there are service deptos within a three hour radius.
You talk about things that are nearly forty years old you need to get in today's world not yesterdays.
As for the availability of Ammonia, Ammonia is available everywhere today in the USA there are pipelines from east to west and north to south moving ammonia
We love people like you because you make what we do much more easier. You live and think in the past
@triumphrider
Now a man that is true to his word still has 6 more days to unveil this 'secrete" phenomena. After all he did say next April in 2018. But did not state which date.
Guess we will find out May 1 if the word has been kept.
I'm still wondering if the folks in the Netherlands are still running their buses on ammonia - some how I think they opted for a "fossil fuel" once it be came available again after WWII. The "Exhalted One" went quiet on my legit inquiry.
One can do unique things but the infrastructure to support them must be in place before it can be a real solution. One reason all electric cars are not a solution - too short of a distance to run on a full charge and too long to recharge - not to mention the economics of ownership - high up front price and low trade-in or residual value (those battery banks ain't cheap to replace and no snake oil can "rejuvenate" them. Kinda' like the history of any brand of battery powered lift trucks for as long as I was around the business since 1967. As late as 2005 I sold used equipment both retail & whole sale. In the wholesale market a 5 year old 5 K ICE solid tire truck would run at least 3 times more than an equivalent 5K solid tire electric w/battery & charger - both in running condition, fully functional & operational.
Just one more thing that ain't to clear. Exhalt claims it only takes 4 hours to exchange one of those modules. Maybe that is true. But what puzzles me where are these "extra" modules located - I assume at some stocking point some where close to the point of manufacture or close to the point of use or maybe on the next continent. If it ain't close to the point of use then their is some added time for shipping & receiving, maybe customs issues, etc. etc.. So down time "might" be minimal or it might be very extensive. The larger the fleet in use the more complicated it be comes for the manufacture. to keep the end user up and running. In my tenure with Alis-Chalmers during the Lancer Boss agreement era (1970 thru 1982) product support was nothing but a large PITA. Often parts were air freighted at no cost to the customer & Sir Neville Bowman did not like to eat but he did.
Every thing always looks good on paper.
Ammonia has a problem delivering power under low RPM and high RPM loads. Usually requires a backup fuel source under these conditions. How are you getting around this?
Now what is your prediction on the roll out of your UBER Truck?
The only way to be 100% zero emission, that is cost effective, offers the same performance and range as diesel is the ammonia hybrid way.
Companies are now looking to be sustainable because of both shareholder and customer pressure.
In the smaller truck up to 3,500kg and warehouse equipment Lithium Iron could be an option. But over 5,000kg the best option is certainly Ammonia Hybrid system.
One thing is for certain it won't be hydrogen that will power forklifts in the future. Meaning my prediction that Hyster will loose a couple of hundred million dollars will be right
What does Belguim power their buses with today???? if not ammonia, why did they change???
One thing we do know is that customers are going to want a sustainable option when look at medium to big trucks over 6,000kg. At the moment there a number of options for these trucks
A / lead acid battery the problem is they don't really have the range to last a full shift maximum range even at 6,000kg would be four - five hours then around eight hours charging and the maintenance side and charging infrastructure.
B / lithium - ion battery with intermittent charging they might do one shift but will definitely not do a double shift standard run time around six to seven hours another problem will be the storage capacity of the battery after only a couple of years work the storage capacity of the battery will have declined significantly plus lithium -ion battery trucks cost a lot more than standard electric trucks.
C / hydrogen fuel cell apart from the very high cost of the truck you have a very high cost of both the hydrogen and the hydrogen storage systems. Then you have the problems with the vibration of the truck that will damage the cells, cells will need rebuild around every 12 month.
D / Ammonia Hybrid engine truck, Ammonia has been proven over many years as a fuel for engines, way back after the second world war Belgium use ammonia to power buses with no one injured. The ammonia hybrid option has a range of around 20 hours a refill time of less than 10 minutes and can perfume as well or out perform any diesel counterpart on the market today.
So there you have it four options for the future of medium to heavy materials handling equipment.
Nooooo, otherwise we will be denied our source of enlightenment for the future of the materials handling industry.
Can anybody take Exhausts crack pipe away from him?
There will be no risk because the truck doesn't exist. One year from now, we will still be hearing the same things that exalt has been claiming for the past 6 year.
There is no risk to the operator or anybody else for this matter. The system works at 30 bar if a leak is detected the shut down valve is on the tank its self-allowing any ammonia in the pipe system to be burnt in the engine. The truck then goes into full electric mode and can be driven out side by the operator or the engineer. Any of the leaked ammonia is kept in side the powerpack its self so there is no danger to any one
We have also looked a cost per hour comparison to a 10,000kg diesel truck.
A diesel truck cost around $10 per hour to run including fuel and service charges.
A all electric truck cost around $4 per hour to run including electric and ser-vice charges.
A all ammonia hybrid cost $2,5 per hour to run including fuel and service charges.
If ammonia will not leak outside its self contained system, then there sho uld be no reason to have a detector and shut down system....but I am glad that there is both detector and shut down system. That said then depending on the source of the leak a considerable amount of ammonia could leak until the pressure is equalised. Operator training for unexpected events in any discipline is difficult so you can't rely on an operator remembering to drive outside when he gets an "ammonia alarm".
LPG, diesel and electric trucks do catch fire but are rarely driven outside the warehouse, the operator gets away as soon as possible, and to be fair in the UK employers do nor incourage or compel operators to take personal risks in this respect.
There are submarines sitting on the bottom of the ocean because their leak prevention systems did not operate properly. Did You ever look at the btu content of nerve gas agents? Might be a new energy source for your Uber truck.
ChrisK
This guy changes tunes faster than a Canadian goose during mating season.
No offense intended to those that celebrate the Maple Leaf & Lord Stanley's Cup. But a whole lot of those geese like to frantically go forth and multiply right here in the state of Georgia on my fav fishing lakes and golf course ponds - guess they just don't want to fly any further north to become parents again or just plane ****.
So now you are claiming you only had the intention of revealing your technology in April of 2019. Here is why nobody believes you.
In your thread titled I Wonder What Happened to the Future of Forklift discussion. on Page 7, post #3.....YOU SAID
"Like i have said we have agreed a funding deal now and we can and will produce the new truck at the beginning of 2019 and yes it will be a game changer in the materials handling industry."
Do you see your statement of CAN AND WILL PRODUCE AT THE BEGINNING OF 2019?
Doesn't matter how many websites, YouTube videos or troll posts you make. You can't get your story straight and this truck will never exist, and it will never be a "game changer"
our system dosent allow ammonia to leak outside of its self contained system. There is a warning system built into the truck that detects the slightest bit of ammonia and then shuts the system completely down. the truck can be driven on the electric system to an outside area if working indoors or to a certain area out side where the power pack can be exchanged and taken away for repair. An exchange unit is fitted allowing the truck to be back in service in under 4 four of the warning system
Ammonia stays close to the ground, besides if as much ammonia leaks out as the amount of hydrogen that was on the Hindenburg I can see another disaster similar to the Union Carbide chemical accident in India a few years back. 2% hydrazine was used as a fuel booster in nitromethane back in the sixties, large power gains were noted, From engine blow ups and anybody that was near the stuff developing all kinds of cancers, people learned to leave it alone. AMMONIA IS DANGEROUS. One lung full and you are screwed
People didn't need to sit on the boards of Nokia Blackbury or Blockbusters to tell its was going to end badly for the company.
Like I Have pointed out HY will probably have a massive wright down in the next couple of years and this will make them a easy target for a Chinese OEM.
Also What caused the Hindenburg to catch fire was leaking Hydrogen being ignited by a spark. And you say ammonia is dangerous
@tugger
Like the way you think!
Us folks in our Golden years sure can deliver our fair share and often. As I say the only thing I've found Golden about the Golden years is the color of my urine. Maybe now I can get paid for it now.
Light bulb moment, the totally renewable source for the ammonia for Exalts truck is urine, there sure is plenty about to make sure it never runs out of fuel.
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