Still or Jungheinrich ?
would like to know your thoughts
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bbforks,
I understand your view point very well. There was a time when one could repair any Ford (when Found On the Road Dead) with a pair of pliers and some baling wire or fix a worn fuel pump push rod with a dime too (first car was a '51 Ford and I did) - alway kept a dime, pliers & wire in the trunk along with some aluminum cloths pins for summer fuel vapor lock fixes. But time changes every thing - I spent 4-3/4 years in college to earn a degree in Automotive Engineering & Technology and used to do all my repair/maintenace work on my cars. Tune-up were done w/ a timing light & a dwell/tach. It is almost impossible to change a spark plug today w/o special hand tools. But INMO by and large today's cars and lift trucks are better today than yesterday - those old flat head continetal were good for about 8000 hours, then throw them over the fence - todays engines go 12k and more w/o issue. I have a 1998 Ford Explorer w/ a lot of plastics but with 269,000 miles (it is now my full time vehicle to take my 18' fishing boat to the lake) & only replaced the heater blower fan. But I changed oils and fluids very frequently, like engine oil changes evrey 3k miles - three things I learned while **** off in college was oil is always cheaper than metal, proper maintance does not mean maintaining a full tank of gasoline and always put your tools back in the same spot you find them - each time & every time.
john j- I agree with you. Your explanation is excellent on the llife cycle of equipment. I was ranting on the over technical side of the lifts today. Forklifts will go down the same road as other technical commodities. Rather than repair equipment, they'll just be replaced. It'll be the little companies with 1 forklift that'll be left holding the bag- they'll buy newer lifts in the thought of upgrading the equipment, only to find out in the long haul that the older lifts were actully less expensive to maintain.
I work on lifts ranging from the early 60's to lifts just a few years old. It's sad to me that the newer lifts are made so cheaply. I guess it's all in the name of progress. Between plastic bushings being where brass used to be & having to chrome newer cylinder rods because the chrome got to thin & the packing can't seal it to now having wiring harnesses cost upwards of 6,500.00 because of the specialty type wires involved, I just don't see any end in sight.
As far as the original question on the thread- which lift is better?- they're all doing the same thing- cheapening up the lift, adding more electronics & promising less downtime. Do your best to find out which dealer services your area the best, compare their rates against their competitors, decide which is better for you in your circumstance and take the plunge- jump into the deep end of the pool & hope you can swim
bbforks, just a thought or two on what is and maybe happening. The FMV lease program for new equipment (I think called rental in the European market) has gained real popularity over the last decade or two or three. Toyota started really pushing 3 year FMVs at monthly rates others could hardly ever touch about 25 years ago - see where the are now ( I called on many 1 truck users that bought into this and only acculated 300 hours in 3 years, these guys then bought the unit at the of 3 years at fair market value (the dealer/sales people loved it). Units sold on the FMV finance programs - make the manufactuer happy as more units shipped and end user new equipment replacement cycle is quicker (every 3 to 5 or 6 years vs 10 or more years for a cash or $1.00 conditional sales contract), distributor can increase profit margins on equipment sales and more if a full maintenace program is attached to the lease and sales people can gain increased commissions. Plus those folks driven by market size/share can see increased numbers by promoting units to end users via FMV leases. The off lease used units go into the more profitable second hand market where customers are buying partiallyworn out equipment expect to have repairs more frequently. Kinda' like hybrid autos - the first owner does not want to deal with cost of replacing those batteries on hybrid or Chevy Volts at $5K to $7K or more, so they trade it in & it is then sold into the pre-owned used market with an "as is' warranty or into the more expensive factory certified reconditioned market w/a 1 year limited warranty. Makes sense depending on what side of the fense you are on.
Normandy- lest we all forget that the more crap a truck has, the more to go wrong, the more parts needed, more man hours required for service over the life of the truck and most importantly, more money spent over the life of the truck.
I've been doing this a long time- before all this crap became commonplace on lifts. As long as a lift was kept in good repair, not much really went wrong. Compare that to today- no matter how well a lift is kept, electronics fail.
I hear people say that lifts are lasting longer & are less expensive to keep up because of all the elcetronics- I say that it still costs the same, it just changes where the money is spent. Engines & trans may be lasting longer, but, add up all the costs associated with the electronics, special tools that are required to read the brains (that the customer ultimately pays for), time spend diagnosing electronic issues, special training required (again- the customer ultimately pays for this also),and I'm quite certain that the costs equal out.
This is all IMHO- of course- I'm quite certain there will be those that disagree.
To be honest you could not compare either to KIA
Neither would have the courage to offer a 7 year guarantee
Pity both get back to basic engineering that is more suitable to forklift requirements and forget all the crap !!!!!
comparing Jungheinrich and Still to ford and chevy certainly doesnt work its more like comparing BMW to Kia Jungheinrich would be BMW and Still would be Kia ive worked on both and think the Still really is a piece of crap. personaly i would try to look at a Crown truck
Most UK car racing fans will know about NASCAR, we do get it over here on tv.
That is like going to a NASCAR race and asking which is better Ford or Chevy.(For those out side the USA just insert Formula 1 race and Ferrari or McLaren.)
Ya me gustaría amigo, pero estos días me es imposible, desde el Miercoles salgo muy temprano con otro compañero para Puertollano (C.Real). Estamos montando y haciendo la puesta en marcha de un trilateral recien entregado.
No obstante como tenemos nuestros correos cuando quieras tomamos una cerve..
Un saludo.
Yo soy muy variable. Hoy la mejor es JH y mañana, quien sabe. Si estás en el taller el jueves o viernes, podía pasar a conocernos. Que estoy cerquita.
Saludos.
Eso no vale Joram !!
Un saludo amigo.
I work in Jungheinrich. The best is Jungheinrich.
This debate will go on forever. Both are good relaible units. The answer is which dealer will give better customer support in your area.
In my opinion, are better STILL trucks than JUNGHEINRICH trucks. Regarding electric counterbalance trucks I think STILL is one of the best truck.
Regards
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