I think you are right it has been made to enter the market at a lower price than the hydrostatic truck, but so are Maximal, Sany, and Heli all Chinese made trucks. so it still goes if you want a lower cost truck then go for one of these because the Linde will be much dearer. It will see on how the price reflects against Hyster/Yale and Kalmar or the Doosan or Hyundai

Linde moved the production of the 1401 hydrostatic truck to Czech to lower cost. In the KION 20 20 program one of the aims is to make KION the most profitable forklift manufacture it looks like they want to do this by moving production to lower cost manufacturing instead of developing ways to reduce manufacturing costs'. What will be interesting will be the response from Taylor who build a good quality truck for value.

Linde still have not shown any real believe in the truck they have heavily promoted the new R14 - R20 reach truck but have yet to show in a little bit of support for this new truck. the Absence of support leaves the question still open why not

This truck will not be replacing the current hydrostat. It's purpose is to come in at a significantly lower price point to open the customer base for heavy trucks in less aggressive environments where a hydrostat isn't always needed. The quality and standards I have been told will be no different to the 1401 hydrostat. The first trucks will be arriving in the next few months and some demo's are now in process with very positive results.

The lack of 'shouting' is not through lack of belief in the truck, their passion was unmistakable. KION are serious and with their resources from what I've seen, this will be a good addition to the marketplace.

One point i have noticed is the only web site of Linde you can see this truck is Linde Australia, Not KION usa not Linde main web site not even linde heavy lift truck web site , so if Linde are not shooting about this trucks from the roof tops then why not.


If you bring out a product you believe in then say so has Linde done this no. Do linde really believe in this truck well that's to be seen

Thank you Forkingabout Linde have for years been pointing out how good Hydrostatics are and I must agree with them all testes i have seen point to hydrostatics being more productive lower overall running costs easier maintenance Toyata have had hydrostatics for years with Casab and have now adopted them to Toyota


So why if you believe in something do you go the other way. WHY because now you are a Chinese company and low cost manufacturing is all important. The Linde 1411 truck is openly said to be made in China so if you want a Chinese truck why not buy a Sany or a Helli


If you are in the US and want a good value truck then look at Taylor TX series

So few people want torque convertor fork lift trucks these days.

Hydrostat is now so in demand, even Toyota have bowed to pressure & started offering a choice of either hydrostat OR torque convertor on the smaller Tonero trucks.

Linde hydrostatic trucks where really highly regarded here in Europe, why they would want to start fitting a torque convertor & damaging there brand image is beyond me.

Well Bucknut Nice you live up to your name , I'm not grinding any axe with Linde just pointing out facts that linde have claimed for years and i agree with that hydrostatics are better than torque converters been proven in so many test's. Linde has lost their way why produce a truck in China then try to sell it to the US i have noticed that the German dealers don't wont to know this truck and if the customers in the states want Chinese i suggest Helli do a good truck so do Sany

as for our truck i take it you have never tried to produce a forklift never mind one that is more advanced than any other , but don't worry we have produced four now we have two five tone trucks and two seven ton truck out in the field being tested by us so thanks for the input


Please if you have ever tried this do let us know


One point Bucknut do you work for Linde in the US and just realised how do you sell the 396 H70 which is hydrostatic and then to the same customer try to sell the 1411 H120 torque Converter good luck with that one

Exalt has been talking about this new forklift he is bring to the market for how many years now? Seems to me if he would spend less time grinding his axe with Linde he would have his new unit out by now.

The first sine of the new truck is on the Linde Australia web site , there not much info about the truck thow just a picture. the main change is there is no need for the vents behind the cab and under the cab as the MTU engine uses SCR so this might be under the engine like the Kalmar set up. Looks the same as the 1401 in shape with what look like a higher engine setting. There is also a new what looks like a lower cost cab as well This is of the 396 8 ton truck

i think you have got the wrong idea on this , this is not good for linde and will totally kill linde in the big truck market. It just gives the wrong impression to their customers. You have a customer looking for a couple of trucks say 3 5,000kg trucks and one 12,000 kg truck. they decide to look at three options Hystser hyundai and Linde. Linde is the highest priced truck but the sales person say's well you will save more over the life of the truck and have lower running cost as we are hydrostatic. Ther customer looks at this and say's OK that's agreeable. So the Hyster and hyundai reps say well Thats not really true to linde believe because on the 12,000 kg truck they have gone torque converter when they had a hydrostatic version the 1401, If Linde believe so much that hydrostsic is so good and they charge you more for this then why have they gone Torque converter. If Linde don't believe Hydrostatic is the best and they are promoting this with smaller trucks then why should you pay more when you can have a toeque converter range for less money.


Inside KION group there are many Brands and if KION which is ultimately Linde want to promote torque then they should have done this with another brand. This goes to show really Both KION and Linde don't understand the truck business. They might be Number two in the market on turnover soon to be number one but they don't really understand the market and this position was down to older management and the German and France markets.


Its like the HT 25 Linde truck from China it has done more damage to the Linde brand than any other product. The new 10 - 16 ton truck will only add to this.

KION have made some very big mistakes in big truck markets over the last three to four years closing merhtyr was a disaster and get out of big trucks like container handling was too when you have liebberr showing what can be done in Reach stackers.


KION will spend money to get to number One Toyota will spend money to keep there but this will only make both more acceptable to a competitor , Like apple samsung in mobile phones. like Uber to taxis. Will Toyota and KION be the Blackberry Nokia or the Black cabs of London

This is the best news that Linde recognizes they need to use converter as additional solution. this is cannibalismus and destroys their hydrostatic image. let's see their decisions about it. only european or effective global?

I have herd that the new Linde 10 ton - 16 ton range will use the MTU engine and will be out later this year around the same time as the new ExaltiModlift 10 - 16 ton. What will be interesting is the Linde will be torque converter made in China and around 15000 Euro higher than the Exalt that will have the same engine and hydrostatic transmission with the same equivalent speck Electronic load sensing Hydraulics full cab its going to be hard for Linde to match up

I have herd that the new Linde 10 ton - 16 ton range will use the MTU engine and will be out later this year around the same time as the new ExaltiModlift 10 - 16 ton. What will be interesting is the Linde will be torque converter made in China and around 15000 Euro higher than the Exalt that will have the same engine and hydrostatic transmission with the same equivalent speck Electronic load sensing Hydraulics full cab its going to be hard for Linde to match up

Hi due to a Confidentiality agreement with a major manufacturer on investment on the project we are not allowed to say much about this now.


What we can say is EXALT Materials Handling are to launch their new forklift rental web site later this year. Allowing Saudi Arabian business to be the first companies to benefit from the new iModlift forklift that are to be built locally in the Kingdom.....some advertising has been deleted by Admin....

Also the first trucks will be ready later this year as a customer has already placed a order for quite a large number of trucks these will be 5,000kg truck with the larger trucks following in early next year.

Talking of big trucks what happened to Dave and his Ilift or Shaw?
Was on here every five minutes now gone dead!

Don't think they have launched it yet. from what i know it has been designed out of Merhtyr , Then it will be built in China. At the moment China build the old torque converter truck.

Think it is a major step backwards for Linde, Linde talk about being the most advanced forklifts on the market but they keep going backwards First with the HT range torque converter from China now with the new big truck from China.

Only time will tell but i think this will be a big disaster for Linde. They should never of shut Merthyr they should have also made a couple of changes to 1402 to make it more competitive in the market if they had they would have over taken NACCO as number 1 in this range of trucks.


This all goes to show KION will have to make big changes if they want to over take Toyota at the top of the table. The perches they plan to make might only last for a year or so but to keep at the top they have to develop better more advanced and lower cost equipment not go back 20 years like they are doing