well the only problem with your predictions is that's all they are, predictions
I've worked for what i call the big 3 over the years (since 1977) and i can say i've seen all of them go through trying times and they are still going strong leading the markets consistently.
and another thing, if ammonia was a viable source for fuel in anything they would have already explored it and i would have seen some evidence it would be something viable for future power sources, but i have not from them. They did attempt to go down the hydrogen fuel cell market a few years back but that was proven to be extremely expensive and never gained any real traction in the market even after then improvements they've made to it over the years. It's just way to expensive for any consumer to want to do it.
So in effect this is the same scenario with ammonia, it is not in any form attractive to them enough to venture down this road any more than they already have using DEF, due to the cost of doing it from a consumer standpoint.
sure we all want to limit or eliminate bad emissions but until the technology is more affordable? NOBODY will entertain this notion no matter how hard the 'carbon free' initiative is pushed.
windmills and solar cell tech are only as good as their production rates and since they only work when then wind is blowing or the sun is out that limits their capacity and the technology is no where near the capacity to produce anywhere near what we have using the power production we currently use. Everything that has been produced today only provides an AID to our currently used power sources and is nowhere near what we would need to sustain an acceptable operation at an affordable cost.
You can spit out all the figures you want that look good on paper but until it is put into the real world application and tested and proven to work to the standards we all expect based on what we have NOW? it will never catch on in the main stream.
why else do you think the big mfg's havn't already picked this up and ran with it?
think about it ;o)


And to date, you still have to put this truck of yours out there for everyone to actually see in real time, which you STILL have yet to do. Your deceptive behavior about all of this makes your claims very suspect. After the little bit of research i've done on it you are not being straight up with anyone about it. Hiding behind this IP thing only reinforces what i have already presumed about it.

we won't talk about how we run our engines because of our IP. I will say that they run on ammonia and they are 100% zero emission.


Now Hyster Yales is my opinon, Kalmar and Kone Cranes are not small companies they are both major companies in the larger truck market and you might say that they would jointly control over 60% of the container handling market. Yet they see the only way they can servive is to merge.

Now KION predict by 2027 76% of the materials handling market will be electric as against IC engine power. Hyster Yale are spending around $5 million a month on the development of hydrogen fuel cells and beleive the market for Hydrogen fuel cell trucks will be a round 160,000 per year by 2027.

Now if we were to take a 3 ton counter balance forklift, the Lithium iron battery would cost between $4,800 - $6,000. a Hydrogen fuel cell for the same truck would cost around $15,000. You would have very simular drives and other parts.

Now it might be your and every one's else opinion that Hyster Yale are in fact correct and their beleive of a 160,000 units is low. This is OK every one is entitled to their own opinion.You don't even say your opinion on hyster yale.

But on the Fuel cell you will also need a refueling system the cost of a 1 pump refueling system cost around $2.5 Million. then you have the hydrogen storage.


Now there are people on here who say i'm just trolling Hyster yale to these peopel i ask OK this is my opinion do you argree or do you have your own opinion that backs up Hyster Yale.


I can't see one of all the people who critise me on here sharing their own opinion on Hyster Yale, They will just say like triumphrider well hyster Yale have many products and produce thousands of units per year. Now they might have done this in 2019 but in 2022 they won't

Looked up ammonia fueled engines on the internet, Large slow turning marine engines lend themselves to the use of that fuel. Seems like the combustion time required to get to zero emissions plays into the concept. A study in Sweden concluded that smaller faster turning motors have too many issues with complete combustion to allow zero emissions. I do not know what your issues with Hyster /Yale are but you seem to have them in droves. Hyster / yale like a lot of brands have a large product line. Taylor has their niche market like other builders of ready ship of proven concept equipment. Where are your ready to ship proven products?

I can allways back up what i say, Like when i said hyster won't be the only company to be taken over in all this. I was write Cargotec ''Kalmar'' and Kone Cranes are to merge. These are probelby the two biggest players in the global big truck market. Yes i know Taylor would proberbly be the largest big truck OEM in North America but globally they aren't as big as the top four. Kalmar Konecranes Sany and Hyster. This merger will only in my opion speed up the demise of the Hyster big truck brand

The most laughable statement I have seen on this post is- "I don't want to say something that I cant back up"
It's not seemed to bother you up until now!!

You seem to know every spec about this unit except tight steering conditions?, One of the most important parameters to insure the safe operation of a lift truck. Stop taking hits from that crack pipe.

the catalyst you use is proprietary? are you kidding me?
there are only the normal means of known pilot fuels to use so there is nothing proprietary about it.
anyone can do a google search on ammonia fuel engines and find out all the ways they work so there is no good reason not to tell us what you are using unless your not being straight up about it. If there was anything proprietary about it nothing would be posted out there for everyone to see if it were.
your base fuel is still going to be fossil based fuel used as a pilot fuel.

We have a way of catalysing the fuel but as it is part of our intellectual property its not something I can comment on. Sorry I cant be more specific but I do have to protect our IP.

I know some will say I'm hiding behind IP but again its our IP and I just cant say. I try to be open as much as I can


On the Inverters like I have said this is not part of what I do so I don't really understand this part and I don't want to say something that I cant back up

OK , what do you understand about this dream machine, what controls the inverters?Does this unit even exist ?

ok i was under the impression you were using a current IC fueled engine and using DEF so i just assumed it was diesel which i'm still wondering about because after doing some research on ammonia engines no technology has been developed yet for any engine to run solely off ammonia. The technology still requires a catalyst/pilot fuel to aid in the combustion process. Therefore it requires a duel fuel process to make it work. So what is your catalyst? H2? LPG? NG?

this is all down to our technical side but we have a program that run the invertors that controls this. yes we use A/C drive. again this is all controlled by invertors.


I will be honset with you i don't really understand this part of the truck. because i don't need to. I can trust our team on this one. I do remeber that in talks i have had invertors were mentioned

For the Second time, how do you control the drive motors in a real tight turn? I have simplified the question this time, While i am at it are they A/C drive?

we have a team who understand that i have dyslexia, they never comment and are quite supportive. but i don't let it bother me but it seems to bother you.

like i said you don't Know me , our company or any of our team


you just prefer to hide behind Lifter01

Poeple!! Lol ??

No we can afford to employ poeple for that,

Lol Dave wrong again unlike you pal (and that's a Yorkshire pal) I'm Yorkshire born and bred and lived within 9 miles of Halifax for over 40 years having spent many nights out in Halifax pre Acca (and if your from Halifax you'll know what that means). As an engineer I've supported plenty of customers around HalifaX Huddersfield and Elland Dave.
As for what I've achieved pal plenty both as an Engineer, team leader and service manager then as an end user in one of the biggest distribution companies in the U.K. (fleet size over 5000 units) but the. The one making spurious claims on here is you not me so I certainly don't have to explain myself to you pal.
Once again Dave you claimed your wonder machine would be revealed to the world last year (yes last year Dave) then it's Q4 this year and still no sign, other material handling companies are still introducing new model lines in these troubles times so why aren't you??
All were get are answers (well you never really provide a straight answer) full of basic spelling mistakes and basic grammatical errors which is why I asked if English was your first language, I've had dealings with plenty of directors CEO's of some massive multinationals and they could all spell?? So once again Dave who are you really??

Jesus I hope you are not going to compose your sales brochure for the wonder machine your spelling and grammar is atrocious!!

Ok Charlie so what you are saying is that hydrogen has a future in materials handling, and China that controls the lithium iron battry market are going to tell their manufactures not to sell to the automotive market that they are desperate to control, and instead sell to materials handling companies

Do you know something Charlie you still arn't as smart as you like to think you are

Wrong.....again.

What's amazing is a simple internet search would provide all the information you need.

Ok Charlie so you don't get trucks from Indai any more , and you din't design them either as you bought them from translift Bendi who had them made in India So as a designer what do you do