Raymond- I believe these old stodgy brands have run their course. Over priced, over complicated- the current economic environment will thin the herd.

It'll be sad to see the mainstays take a hit- but they better get lean & mean if they want to compete. If a company comes in with a lower priced unit (a quality unit ) without all the bells & whistles & sets up a dealer network that concentrates on the basics (customer service, parts availability) then the current crop of lifts will be in BIG trouble. Of course- this is MHO- and I'm sticking to it!