I agree Glen. But the problem is the owners, managers & anyone in charge really don't want to spend the money for training, but OSHA requires it, it's the law. Even then they complain about the price and the time it takes to put on an effective training program. With that being said, most will not spend the money, especially with todays economy to buy products such as what you speak about. And they are some good effective ones out there. I take a hard stance when it comes to training. I will not cut my class short to make it more convenient for them. Most want to get by with the bare minumum. What usually helps is when I explain what is the most costly part of doing business. It's the employees. It cost more to hire, train, pay workman's comp and benefits on an employee than it is to buy a new lift! Do you agree?