Hostile in Oregon?

Try hostile in here!! :-)

People like what they like. I have no problem with techs feeling that the product they pimp is the best.
what do you think I do.

If you like Toyota trannys, go ahead pick a $20,000 rebuild job against a $5,000 rebuild.
You like Lindes? Go ahead and prefer a truck that will eat $10,000 worth of brakes in a matter of seconds.
Pick a linde hydrostatic that'll lurch forward when you're inching and pull a lever.
Pick a linde that you can't tow without spending 10min's adjusting valving, and pumping up the brakes.

Pick a toyota with $5,000 worth of stability components over a nice simple piece of rubber that is designed to push the steer axle out as the unit leans.

Wether or not you want to admit it, the Fortis series are good trucks. The rest of the industry is playing catchup for now.

BTW, saying that Hyster took the operator side control idea from Yale is a huge load of you know what. When I worked for the Yale dealer many years ago, we'd lose sales to Hyster because they had side levers....