Madman, this is like the age old Ford versus Chevy arguement....I've driven and had to repair both so I can argue the good points and the bad points of both. Unfortunately I can't argue the same between Hyster and a Raymond. Why you ask? In the years I worked as a road tech for a major dealership, bouncing from customer to customer (quite a few with hodge-podge fleets of multiple brands of narrow aisle equipment) in a city the size of Houston, aside from IC Hysters, I've only seen or worked on a handful of Hyster electrics (less than 10 to be exact). One was a sitdown and the rest were antique cable steer orderpickers that were being gradually traded out for Raymonds. Now my questions is, if Hysters are so "superior" to all others, especially the red and gray, why didn't I see more of them out there? Is their "superiority" a market secret? Or is it they don't have a big enough dog in the fight to steal a sale on a Raymond, Crown, or even a Clark, Toyota, Yale, or Mitsubishi for narrow aisle equipment? Gee.....I believe this dovetails into the market share discussion. You drive your Hyster and I'll drive my Raymond, Ok? Now, I guess we need to give altlift back his thread.