I have replaced, literally, dozens of these hoses (227217-850) {twin line that runs through the mast} over the years with no problem. A couple of months ago they start arriving from BT - 14 inches too short. The part number is stenciled right on the hose, so I know it's the right part. Dealer says they have been to BT with the problem, and that they are adamant that they have not changed the length etc. I have laid an old hose and a "short" one on the floor side by side, yup, the new one is 14 inches too short. I have measured them and BT says the short one is the correct length?? In order to make them work I have to grab all the slack from the supply lines that go from the valve body to the lower mast and fabricate a 14 inch metal strap that extends up the side of the mast, to where they can be coupled, attaching the double female WEO coupler to the fabricated strap. Even then I have to streeeetttttcchhhh the twin hose a long way, my concern being undue stress on the plastic rollers the hose runs over.
Has anyone else had a problem like this ??
Either I'm losing it, or these hoses are too short.
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This amount of stretch is standard on Linde reach trucks and quite normal for this type of hose. I use similar procedure but in reverse on Linde models.
Nice one, good to share tips that work.
Forkingabout: Tried your procedure for hooking up mast twin line hoses and works awesome!!
Even managed to get my "short" hoses on with ease. I must say I'm still not happy with the stretch but BT maintains I'm crazy and the hoses are the correct length??
Anyway time will tell how long the pulleys and hose survive.
Thanks again for your help!!
Good to know !! Thanks stam!!
UncleSi, Contact Action Hydraulics in north york ontario. They can get the fittings, may even tell you who supplied them. A friend of mine gets his made there every now and then when Bt can't supply them in time.
Correction: that should have been CEJN WEO fittings.
Snoop, I sent a bunch of real good pictures to the dealer, who was supposed to look into it, and may well have. They told me that BT said they were in fact correct, and had always been that spec in length. Wrong. They "ARE" 14 inches too short. These lifts are bulletproof, we love them, I just think not enough of them sold in Canada to garner solid dealer support.
The thing is they are not just a little off.... they are 'way" too short.
These hoses have a very new "toolless" Ceja Weo fitting on one end or I would definitely have gone local. These fittings are just, from what I understand, making their way into Canada if not North America although I have found a source to convert them over to JIC configuration. Even though the fittings have a Parker logo stamped into them, Parker Canada has NO idea what I'm talking about. Just too new I guess? Don't get me wrong, I love these fittings.
And, yes, mrfixit, there is MUCH more than 3 inches of stretch going on, MUCH more!
I remember having training from the Synflex rep back in the 70's and 3" of stretch was what they recommended on a very long hose that went over the mast.
14in short?
i agree, that's way more than just a simple stretch.
since the mfg is being difficult about admitting they screwed up take pictures and show them. Sometimes the engineers have a hard time admitting they messed up unless you just show them, that's the only language they understand, physical facts, they would have a hard time disputing photographic proof.
Show the hoses difference in length and have the same part number.
I have had this happen on more than one occasion as to where i had to stick the parts in their face to get them to believe there was an issue.
in the meantime (as was previously suggested)
you can take the correct length hose to a hydraulic hose shop and have them make up a new twinline hose the correct length. Make sure you take the old hose with you so they can match it up exactly.
I have seen this time and time again and in alot of cases the dealer and mfg both will try to ignore the problem and have you just get hoses made locally. While this does get the lift back up and running it does not fix the problem with the mfg supplying the incorrect hose and leaves YOU feeling like they just don't support you or believe your competent enough to know what you are doing. Really annoying imo. :o/
14 inches is not stretch. I have seen tis problem with more than one manufacturer. Do you have a local hydraulic shop that can make up hoses?
Thanks for the input all !! I will definitely try your procedure Forkingabout. And Partsguy5 - It does "seem" to be a different material...but both are Parflex. Anyway- thanks for all the help!!
Could be a couple of things.
Has BT changed hose suppliers? Different hose manufactures will have different stretch allowances.
Synflex may have changed the manufacturing process for the hose which allows for more stretch.
When I do these hoses, I always start fitting the new hose at the fork carriage end, then to get enough slack in the new hose to clip in in to the WEO connectors I do the following.
Lift the mast up in service mode.
Prop the mast up.
Lower the mast back down in service mode so the main lift chains, pipes etc all go very slack.
Then you can pull the new hoses & clip them in to the WEO connectors.
Very carefully lift the mast back up again in service mode to re-tension everything.
The twin line synflex hoses do stretch once back under tension.
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