I never said you trash Hyster. just the everybody who has been building equipment for years. Yep I am convinced you are a former disgruntled Hyster employee. You also seem to hang on to some kind of grudge.; Yep it looks like the Chinese have beaten you to the start line

The Wankel engine produced less than acceptable results.

well triumphrider before you say I trash or troll Hyster. Everything I put about Hyster can be backed up 100% JUST IN CASE YES THAT'S BACKED UP 100%

OK Right as I have pointed out the truck will be available in March 2019 JUST IN CASE YOU DID NOT UNDERSTAND THAT'S MARCH 2019, You say I talk trash about other manufactures I have only ever mentioned two manufactures on here one was Linde and the post about Linde Was both shown to be correct first one being the shutting Down of Merthyr Tydfil and the second one was Weichi purchasing majority shares in KION Group who are Linde.

The other company has been Hyster and the state Hyster are in and the fact that they are in such a mess that they wont be around in big trucks with in Five years. Hyster has waisted millions on hydrogen fuel cell technology that will never work in big forklifts at a price that would be competitive. nuvera have entered into an agreement with hanghzoo district government of fuyang in China to produce fuel cells for vans and some other commercial vehicles. Hoist Toyota will kill Hyster in North America and soon companies Like Briggs will drop Hyster big trucks. Hyster say they would look to Asia but Sany control this market in China meaning a Chinese company will purchase Hyster with in the next three years

Ballard one of the worlds most renowned producers of Hydrogen fuel cells have entered into an agreement with Weichi to produce fuel cells, So I would predict the Ballard Weichi fuel cell will sell more in the China market.

But there are technologies now available that will stop Hydrogen Hydrogen $5.00 per Kg the other fuel $0.30 per Kg


Like I have said we can run a Forklift 100% zero emission that has a range from 16 - 30 hours depending on truck, It is fully Modular constructed so it has many benefits over a conventional forklift Like being lighter, more fuel efficient, Less down time, more manoeuvrable , will have an advanced lift tilt and steering system meaning it won't need Hydraulic pumps Cylinders Or servo systems.


Just being able to do half the above makes it a industry changing product


But then again you are very welcome to your opinion and time will tell

Ok its like this, somebody tells the world about a industry changing product and never produces it ,and its been several years now, never produces it for any kind of inspection and always tells us it going to be revealed in a few months either really thinks we are a bunch of idiots or gullible. I am neither. Is seems it is alright for him to trash talk Established Manufactures With all his insight but when we call his BS ,BS its not OK?

Hallo everyone... Just a general comment. I have been working in the aftermarket spare parts in Europe since 2005, Unfortunately I just lurk about this forum, but find many of the subjects interesting.
One thing that dissapoints me is to see the negativity that seems to be continually directed at Exalt. I feel he is a person with a great deal of knowledge, experience in the MH world and tries to share his insights, thoughts about the future and starts many of the discussions contained in this forum. (being one of the few who do that)
I don't agree with all that is said, predictions, forecasts, rumours or what ever. After all this forum is called 'Industry News and WHISPERS' (I remember whispers as being things people know for certain, have heard, have picked up third hand or first hand,,,, which may actually be a rumour and not always fact.)
All I am trying to say guys, lets all treat other with a bit of respect (instead of having critisism on each spelling mistake or misquote, or something that you don't agree with.... after all nobody is forcing you to read it...) lets discuss!!
Hope by posting this I haven't poked my nose it to much.. (and sorry for any spelling mistakes, but they come free with the festive season and were intentional :) )

I call that a real good case of bird ****, I have only been fired once , BUT I had another job with another dealership that day and drove home in service truck that night. Every body knows everybody in the DFW area, They know the good ones and the not so good ones. I am glad you have stayed in contact with the industry, you always have some really good insight

I call that a real good case of bird ****, I have only been fired once , BUT I had another job with another dealership that day and drove home in service truck that night. Every body knows everybody in the DFW area, They know the good ones and the not so good ones. I am glad you have stayed in contact with the industry, you always have some really good insight

@triumphrider
Understand that as I say to each their own and one makes their own bed lay in it and don't complain when things go south.

Many years ago mid '70s when I was at A-C, had a "small" account called Kroger, Cincinnati , O. Each year Kroger would go out for bid for their annual purchases. Each year, we lost the business by $800/unit.....that was strange. I felt something was going on in the purchase decision chain & it wasn't the purchasing department. Fast forward, we finally got an opportunity to demo equipment for 6 mos. at several locations. I followed the demos like a dog in heat. They all worked just fine. At one location I became close to the operations manager in Columbus, Ohio. One day he asked me to price out some high usage service parts as he wanted to compare our $ vs what the incumbent was charging. One item he picked the Presolite power steering motor that most lift truck companies used in their electric sit downs. Our price to the customer was a little more than $800 less than what the incumbent was charging - hmm - same difference as what we were losing the bid on the annual purchase. We found other similar differences on other parts. Guess what, after 2 years of trying. We finally were awarded the contract. A few years after that the dealer ship who handled the Kroger account went out of business and the person who the incumbent was close to at Kroger corporate was transferred to Texas.
Now I realize that most independent dealers or commission sales would not been able to to what I did - proved two electric with batteries for 6 month demo, sell parts at published list price but I was one of those factory "****" aka District Sales Mgr. w/ National Account responsibilities that could get it done - but my head was on the line. I was brought up with the belief "Give me a half dead bear and I'll do my best to skin 'em" even with my Barlow that I had since I was 12.

No too many years like 3 after that I was fired by AC (economic termination) after 14 years. S _ _ _ Happens.

Johnr j I agree with you but like I said I know of at least 1 dealership that does not seem to care. Their attitude is..........there is a new duck on every corner!

The FLTA (fork lift truck association) have came up with a fear wear and tear guide booklet, i think it was based on the booklets used by Barlow World, they had separate books for light and medium use. I think it is a good idea but doesn't really cover paintwork in much detail. I think most companies would expect a certain amount of paint damage.

If the booklet is issued at the start of the hire at least he knows where he stands if the truck does get damaged.

Having read a report on CO2 Emissions for cars that they have to be under 95Kg of CO2 per Kilometre or the car manufacture would face a 95 euro fine per gram of CO2 over that would translate to just under 1.5 Billion Euros for VW , it make me wonder what would happen if the same was added to forklifts and Reach Stackers

An average Reach Stacker would produce around 52Kg of CO2 per Hour and an average 8 ton forklift would produce around 28Kg of CO2 Now if this was lowered to say 35Kg of CO2 Per hour for a reach stacker and say 19Kg of CO2 per hour for a 8 ton forklift how would the OEM'S per form.


Would this see the increase of the development of all electric forklifts or 100% zero emission forklifts and Container handling equipment.

Most of the top OEM'S now have electric forklift up to 8 ton and Doosan will soon have an electric truck in this range.

Knowing that tier VI is causing problems for diesel forklift OEM'S and will slow the market down over the next couple of years would this cause even more problems

@triumphrider
That type of short term profit taking policy only opens up the door wide for their competition. Most dealer allow for normal wear & tear - damage/abuse is another matter

I know of a couple of companies that paint, replace all decals, replace seats, hoses, tires anything that is wearable when a unit comes in from rental /lease. I do mean a complete paint job. The unit is to be in the same condition as when it left their dealership, you want to see a customer blood pressure go to unheard of levels be around when they get the final invoice for their FULL lease with maintence.

Just a couple of points on the above,

One person did reply saying that some companies will hire at a low rate then hit the customer with high repair cost for damage to the truck.

An other post un related to this was about damage to a hire truck. the person put before and after photos of a hire truck, before it left their premises it was like a fully reconditioned truck, it was placed on hire and when it was returned it was full of mud the ballast weight had big groves and scratches in the paint work, Now this company would have to re paint the ballast and clean the truck before it went back on hire so is it fair that they charge for this work.

As they did point out if a customer hired a car form say Hertz and returned it covered in mud with a big dent in the boot they would have to pay for the damage