@Yidneck
MCFA seems to put their money where their mouth is as they sent unit or units round North America in a tractor trailer for an extended period of time to prove their point in a customers environments. News announcement was dated 11.3.2017.
Go to their website and got to their news section to see what they are telling the "public" on the "net".

For more details call MCFA or your local MCFA dealer.

Worked for MCFA for 11 years up to April, 1996 (Actually 4 + years at MCFA and 7 years at MDI (Mitsubishi national distributor for US & Mexico).
Certainly MCFA is a much different culture today than back then.

That's not double the efficiency or I miscounted my toes.

Correct me if i'm not thinking on the right path, i don't really know warehousing equipment.


If Jung say they can do a 16 hour range and their electric usage is 4.3Kw/h, then as long as the battery in the truck is a 70Kwh lithium iron Battery. then they would have this range.

This information is already available from most spec sheets, Jungheinrich 3 wheel electric, 2000kg, 750a/h battery consumes 4.3 kw/h in accordance with VDI guidelines, Linde equivalent with same size battery etc. consumes 5.3 kw/h. I can't see this info on the crown spec sheet.

Is it really that much ahead of the game to achieve double efficiency compared to the other brands?
I don't see that other drive units generating so much heat or friction to say their inefficient neither do I believe aerodynamics play a role in forklifts. Proving this would be so simple. Take two trucks, a jung and a crown and messed voltage and amps used to lift a pallet. I doubt there's a significant difference. I think it's all a bunch of fluff, and that and a token will get you on the train.

@swoop

Here is some info on battery ratings that might help you.

"AH (Ampere-Hour) Ratings
6 Hour vs. 20 Hour Ratings:
Rating a battery over a longer time period always means a lower current draw over a longer period of time. The lower the continuous amperage during discharge, the more efficient the battery becomes. The opposite is true when the continuous current draw is increased.

· Forklift applications usually use the 6hr rating."
FYI in Japan and I believe Europe too industrial batteries are rated at a 5 hour rate.

That rating is when the battery is continuously discharge over a 5 or 6 hour period. In actuality a lift truck is not continuously discharged and the time they are used in a single 8 hour shift is much less than 8 hours probably about 3.5 hour meters hour on average high ball operation like break bulk operations (high usage) at ABF, Road Way, etc are about 5.5 hours per 8 hour work shift.
Here is a link for more info.
gbindustrialbattery(dot)com/Battery_Options/AH_Ratings(dot)html - do teh remove the (dot) an replace it with a. close all gaps

worked on plenty of this brand
imo they aren't any better than the next brand
every brand has their own set of issues and this brand has its issues just like any other.
as for a 16hr run time?
take a look at the dataplate, most dataplates state an amp hour rate at a specific run time (ie: 843A@6hrs)
Most truck mfg's use a 6hr rate based on a single shift of runtime.
So unless this brand reflects this claim on their dataplate information i do not think a 16hr runtime is official mfg spec.

***smoke and mirrors my friends***

other claims for latest and greatest technology that didn't pan out

i have seen other claims with battery technology where they came out with fast high rate charging systems that can charge a full size industrial battery in 1 to 3 hours and allow for a normal 8hr shift of runtime and then go back and recharge it in 1 to 3 hrs.
Although as attractive as that was for the customer to be able to recharge a truck faster and get it back out on the floor without having to have multiple batteries for a single truck, we found out that during the charging process a battery fire or charger meltdown was a very high possibility so even though it is appealing to the customer to be able to charge batteries faster the dangers associated with this type and method of charging was not as safe as they claimed it was. Plus it is considerably more expensive to buy this technology so most consumers shy'd away from the expense and it is not near as popular.

The trucks are extremely efficient through the motor, controller and system design and easily achieve this guarantee in most applications.

Lol. A customer just bought a Jungheinrich without consulting me. First breakdown and he's already regretting it.

Ah, the "brochure"....always promises the world but, it's all BS.
10 years ago, Wal-mart saw the hydrogen fuel cell brochure, promised 16 hours run time. They got 4, and spent countless hours fixing them. Still not much better all these years later.
Jungheinrich parts prices are out of this world and continent! Their systems are impossible to access. Any possible extended run time will be defeated by downtime...and repair costs.

MCFA does in fact have a "demonstration" tractor trailer going around the USA to prove this claim - this has been going on for a year+. kinda like that big "Idaho" potato commercial (lol). Go to their website and check out their "What New" link. I feel very confident they won't openly share the hows & whats of their test results and some user testimonials are forth coming in their advertising/promos etc.

Anyone got any smarter on this one?

As energy efficient as you get you still cant break the first law of thermodynamics....

As Harry Hill would say!

There's only one way to find out.

Get a demo machine and get them to put their money where their mouth is!

Good explanation!

As a sales rep I know you can not trust publications since they are just fluff and promo material. I would like to hear actual accounts from customers and technicians on real world usage.